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Dameron
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Nov 14, 09 at 5:17pm
Looking for Weapon Opinion About...

Murcury Winged Spear. Reluctantly I have been using the winged spear for my first play thorugh and it is ok, but it is still no halberd. I did some reading about the different upgrades and it appears the end result on highest damage per strike is the Murcury version. After upgrading, I felt a twinge of pain in my chest as I saw my damage dropped even though it added poison damage. At Murcury Winged Spear +1 it is E/D/-/- 96+9 physical damage with 120 poison damage.

Looking for general comments and thoughts about the Murcury line. (The one thing I am not looking for is "Why are you using that when 'X' is OMGWTFPWNED better) Thanks for your thoughts.
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Nov 14, 09 at 8:52pm
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All weapons that that ad effects like poison, HP regen, MP regen always have lower damage than other equal weapon.
You must have misunderstood something if you thought adding poison would add direct damage. Mercury weapons might poison your target and slowly drain it of HP for a while. Good for a slow and methodical approach and to make it harder for opponents to heal properly. Can be a saviour at certain situations but it has limited general use imo.

General on weapons:
What's the best weapon for you depends ENTIRELY on your build and playing stile.
Highly specialised characters do well with upgrades like Crushing (str), Sharp, Tearing & Sticky (dex), Moon & Crescent (magic), Blessed (faith).
More balanced character do well with Quality and the basic upgrades (str & dex).
A lot of the unique weapons that can be found or made can have a more varied mix of what damage they do and what stats they respond to. Many is just awesome for some players while completely useless for others. Its all about your build.
Some people work best with the slower but high damage dealing big weapons while others do better with fast ones.
Some like strong protective armour others like to roll freely. Only people who invest enormously in endurance can do both and that generally come at a the expense in damage dealing since endurance ads no damage to any weapon.

If you tell me your build and preferences I can recommend you something.


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Nov 14, 09 at 9:20pm
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quote Dameron
At Murcury Winged Spear +1 it is E/D/-/- 96+9 physical damage with 120 poison damage.
Maybe this confused you too? It doesn't actually deal 120 damage "poison type" or anything. That number is the probability your weapon has to inflict poison onto the enemy. When it does, [Poison Damage] / 60 = damage per second.

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Nov 14, 09 at 9:59pm
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Yes it did confuse me. I though the 120 poison was added per strike ontop of the base damage it already did. With that in mind, I never would have went Murcury, I most likely would have went Fatal. It is what it is however and that is the wonderful thing about this game, there is no right or wrong way to finish the game. What I will most likely do is save it in my inventory for the right instances and begin upgrading another weapon. I can see the chance to poison a boss or other mob with tons of hp being invaluable to a pure melee character.

I appreciate you offering to recomend weapons for my build but I will pass. The weapon I would have really liked to use was the guillotine axe... but like an idiot I killed Miralda in WT instead of BT. Maybe next time around.
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Nov 14, 09 at 10:23pm
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quote Dameron
I appreciate you offering to recomend weapons for my build but I will pass. The weapon I would have really liked to use was the guillotine axe... but like an idiot I killed Miralda in WT instead of BT. Maybe next time around.
You can do both event in the same playthrough. If you already did the White Tendency, now do the Black Tendency and that's it. Get your Guillotine Axe now!!!


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Nov 14, 09 at 11:22pm
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No kidding? The method to get PBT is help someone kill a boss, die again in the world you want PBT with and then help kill another boss right? Approx how many times does it take to get PBT?Thanks for everyone's help.
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4-7 times. Just use Ephemereal Eyes instead of Blue Phantoming a boss. You should be able to get at least 30 eyes a run through so it should be no big deal to waste a few.



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Nov 15, 09 at 7:02pm
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world tendency is so ridiculous, thats one feature of the game i wouldnt mind seeing flushed down the toilet!

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quote Mexitztli
world tendency is so ridiculous, thats one feature of the game i wouldnt mind seeing flushed down the toilet!
It's definitely difficult to understand at times, but it's pretty easy to manipulate once you figure it out.


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Nov 16, 09 at 3:00pm
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if i ever figure it out that is. LOLZ

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Nov 16, 09 at 5:15pm
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quote Wariyaka
I have the official guide numbers here.
They are notably more complex than those wikidot numbers.

They use percentage and go from purest white +100% to purest black -100%


What Happens When

At >+90%
Everywhere: All so called Pure White Events occur.

At >+75%
1-1 gate to Execution Grounds open and both dragons are gone. 5-1 Ladder to Istrarelle appears.
Everywhere: Enemies at their weakest state, Soul Form and Phantom attack power as strongest.

At >+50%
Everywhere: Enemies weaken, Soul Form and Phantom attack power increases.

At >+25%
Everywhere: Enemies weaken somewhat.

At <-25%
Everywhere: Enemies strengthen somewhat. Amount of Souls gained increases.

At <-50%
Everywhere: Enemies strengthen. Amount of Souls gained increases more. Item drop rate increases. Black Phantom enemies appear. Players HP in Soul Form decreases 5%. Black Phantom invader's attack power increases.

At <-75%
1-1 gate to Execution Grounds open.
1-3, 2-1, 3-2, 4-2 & 5-2: Primeval Demon appear.
Everywhere: Enemies as strongest. Amounts of souls gained as highest. Black Phantom invader's attack power as strongest. Players HP in Soul Form decreases 10%.

At <-90%
1-1, 2-2, 3-1, 4-1 & 5-2 unique Black Phantom NPC appear.


How To Shift It.

In world 1:
Defeat stage major demon or flying dragon +30%
Defeat Old King Doran -60%

In World 2-5:
Defeat stage major demon +45%

In world 5:
Defeat Vanguard +30%

For all worlds:
Die in Body Form -30%
Kill the unique area NPC in Body Form -90%
Defeat Blue Phantom as invader -15%
Defeat Primeval Demon +75%
Defeat invading Black Phantom +30%
Defeat the unique area NPC Black Phantom +90%
Revive Blue Phantom +30% (This supposedly includes Blue Phantoms that are revived by helping you defeat a stage major demon. This appear to work only some of the time in my experience. Reviving Blue Phantoms through the miracle resurrection seems to work most of the times though.)

Also according to the guide killing Phalanx should give +30% in ALL worlds but I have never seen this happen, at least not in a first game.


Hope this brings some clarity to this issue.

This message was edited by Wariyaka on Nov 15 2009.
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Question regarding this topic. I've been tinkering around with the upgrades and came across something that was confusing.

After upgrading to a level 3 weapon, I went to upgrade to level 4 and was presented with two options, the first was the streight up level four, the second was something called a 'quality' weapon. I compared the two and they had identical weight, durability, and over all were the same except for their damage, the level 4 did more damage than the quality.

So my question is, why is it more expensive and takes more souls to forge a quality weapon when its not as good? Is there some other stat or effect I'm not aware of that makes it worth doing or something?
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Nov 17, 09 at 3:14pm
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Good question RGZ Archer!!

Quality is a different branch or modifiers, at first when you get across all the different branch the base weapon will always be more stronger. Now when you get your Quality to +5 and your base weapon +10 still the base weapon will have more base damage. The different comes with the bonuses, and your build, if you have even souls points in both Str and Dex with the bonuses the Quality give you, you will do more damage than using your +10 weapon.


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Nov 17, 09 at 3:56pm
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Id never choose a base weapon over a specialized weapon



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Nov 17, 09 at 3:58pm
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Base weapon are good until +3. After that if you don't know what build you going for leave it at that until you decided.





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