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Feb 27, 08 at 02:59PM
Why You Shouldn't Buy This Game

This thread is being created solely because of all the hate coming at DW6. That said, I'm not gonna be biased here, but try to articulate why this is cleary a bigger waste of money than DW6.

1. Yeah there's 90+ characters, but if you bought WO 80+ of them are going to be EXACTLY the same. Same moveset, same character design, same everything.

2. You've been playing this game for the past 4-5 years. This is the EXACT same battle system, with the exact same maps from its direct predescors - just that now you have different characters on those maps.

3. These "new" characters aren't new. Let me give you their movesets:

T - some sort of ground pound
ST - a super lame juggling starter
SSTTT - a long chain of attacks with elemental effects on the last hit, this last hit of course having a larger range than the ones before it
SSST - an area attack, spinning or fire or beams or whatever
SSSST - another area attack
SSSSST - an attack very similar to their musou

I'd go through for the samurai warriors but you get my point.


There's nothing fresh here, nothing new. If anything KOEI is robbing its fans blind with THIS game. Not DW6.



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Feb 27, 08 at 05:23PM
re: Why You Shouldn't Buy This Game

one reason you should buy this game is that its out for the PS2 and some people can't afford a PS3 right now so thats one reason to buy it..

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Feb 27, 08 at 07:22PM
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Trolling forums a fun hobby, BK? this is a fun topic of debate

DW6 robs fan because it is a failure of next-gen gaming. How is it possible the sixth installment of a series is inferior to the third?

If anything, WO2 is honest. A fan-service compilation strung together by a flimsy and absurd story.

quote BrokenKnights
1. Yeah there's 90+ characters, but if you bought WO 80+ of them are going to be EXACTLY the same. Same moveset, same character design, same everything.
Correct! The point here is to revel in the past, to enjoy the nostalgia. The player is offered pleny of opportunity to do so. Enjoy your favorite characters teaming up in a shallow, but new story. Plow through dozens of new stages and gather rare items and level up obsessive-compulsively. Return to DW1 roots in the new versus fighting mode. Have fun racing horses in a new race mode. Have at the new list of challenge modes. WO2 offers many ways to enjoy characters the player has become attached to.

In DW6, as a sequel, one would have expectations of progess, yet they answer these hopes with cutbacks. Deleted characters instead of additions. Every DW had new characters up until this point, way to blow it DW6. The characters that did make it, only 17 have story modes. And even if you were to play these marginalized characters, try to have fun with many of them being clones of the others. But at least you can now swim and climb right?

quote BrokenKnights
2. You've been playing this game for the past 4-5 years. This is the EXACT same battle system, with the exact same maps from its direct predescors - just that now you have different characters on those maps.
There may be no new innovation like the fabulous Renbu system, but you are incorrect about the maps. The maps are all new universe fusions that have fresh new missions yet unseen. In DW, you can go to battle expecting historical cues, but in WO, anything goes.

WO2 does have improvements since WO. Now your three-person team can do triple musou attacks. Plus there are new assailant and combination attacks. Characters now have the ability to withold battlefield items with L3. For instance, you can pick up a meatbun or War Axe and save it for later when you might need it.

quote BrokenKnights
3. These "new" characters aren't new.
This point is the same as #1. Your cynical generalization of movesets can be applied to all DW/SW games, and even worse for the army of clones in DW6. But they are new. New characters. Hmm. Sounds like something you would expect in a sequel, but I guess not the case for DW6...


So in conclusion, WO2 is serving up warmed-up leftovers of a delicious dish we've been munching for years. It is old and dusty, but the ridiculous Orochi combined universe angle gave it a good stir. Come on over if you are hungry for DW/SW action that works.

However, if like something new, go order up DW6 sandwich. It is over-priced (admission is a next gen console), the bun doesn't fit and many of the toppings are missing and the meat is uncooked and blood-dripping raw, but at least it is served up on a plate by deadline, right?



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Feb 27, 08 at 07:33PM
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Well, because we don't know all the new features WO2 has, we can't really make an honest opinion. I mean, it was only like a month ago when this was announced that it was coming out in Japan. We don't know what WO2 contains. We only know several new characters and 2 returning ones and several modes, and that is about it. In time, there is going to be a lot more information about it. Maybe, when a lot of information is out, I could make a honest opinion. But, like HBN said, one of the main reasons why I am looking forward to this, is due to the fact that I don't have a PS3, so, therefore, I can't get DW6. Yes, I am looking for something new as well, but, since I can't get it, this is all that I have to look toward. And I also have to agree with SXH.



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Feb 27, 08 at 09:07PM
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And BK did his balls in at me because I started a, somewhat negative, thread. Shame on you BurgerKing.

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Feb 28, 08 at 03:39AM
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Although I'm kinda biased...not owning a PS3, I still feel that I'm looking forward to playing WO2 more than DW6. Basically I agree with everything SXH says...talk about a good comeback
The 17 musou mode thing and the cutting of characters is simply diabolical!


quote SadXuHuang
How is it possible the sixth installment of a series is inferior to the third?
That basically sums up DW6



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Feb 28, 08 at 04:58AM
re: Why You Shouldn't Buy This Game

I'm inclined to agree with almost everything that's been said in this thread in response to the first point.



quote BrokenKnights
This thread is being created solely because of all the hate coming at DW6
That doesn't seem to be a valid reason to make a thread on this forum. These critics of the game could easily have fitted in the other similar threads. Obviously you've raised valid points and it's your opinion, but just because you don't like people 'hating on' DW6, you don't need to come and trash another game to raise the appeal of that game. If people want to look forward to this more than DW6, let them. As I said though, you made some good points, so I’d like to give an opinion on a few of those:



quote BrokenKnights
Yeah there are 90+ characters, but if you bought WO 80+ of them are going to be EXACTLY the same
Fair point, but then wasn’t Warriors Orochi just a collection of characters that were exactly the same as Dynasty Warriors and Samurai warriors? What's interesting is how they are combined and used them in new missions. Dynasty warriors 5 for example may have had majority of the same characters as Dynasty Warriors 4. It didn't stop people enjoying it.

quote BrokenKnights
You've been playing this game for the past 4-5 years. This is the EXACT same battle system, with the exact same maps from its direct predescors - just that now you have different characters on those maps.
As SXH has said, different battle systems and maps have been added. Sure the game is generically similar, but that’s because it's a good formula for a genre. People have been playing it as long as you stated because it works and they enjoy it. What’s the point of shaking everything up if it's not what the fans want?

I don't particularly see the point of comparing it to DW6, it's not a competition in which game is better, it's not as if it's rival companies, it's a company capitalising on previous success by producing two games, one trying something new, adapting to next-gen gaming, the other appealing to the fans tastes through re-using the popular genre. I see no need to try and argue one is better than the other. They are separate games.

quote BrokenKnights
If anything KOEI is robbing its fans blind with THIS game
Again, if people enjoy it and look forward to it, how are they being robbed blind? Nobody



quote SadXuHuang
A fan-service compilation strung together by a flimsy and absurd story.
Couldn't agree more there. Sure it may be a little flimsy and yes it does have its flaws, but at the end of the day the fans enjoy it, and that's what matters.




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Feb 28, 08 at 05:36PM
re: Why You Shouldn't Buy This Game

I'm not arguing against the 'idea' of Warriors Orochi which is basically what you're all countering with.

Warriors Orochi 1 was neccessary and very enjoyable. My main concern is how furious people are at Koei for "milking" the Dynasty Warriors series when the changes made in DW6 far supercede the change made for WO2.

I understand needing to have a PS3/Xbox360 to play DW6 is a problem for people, but that doesn't make the game worse...



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Feb 29, 08 at 03:52AM
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I agree that it's good to have a change in DW6, as otherwise the games simply won't develop. These changes as you say are much greater than in WO2. However as far as I can tell so far, all the changes in WO2 are for the better...People are "furious" about DW6 because of the changes that have made the game worse than DW5, the cutting out characters and musou modes being my biggest problems.

I'm sure the new fighting system, and having the characters look and fight differently with different weapons (some of which I dislike intensely but then I'm picky) makes the game a great play. Therefore, I shall look forward to DW7 where the faults should hopefully be removed, allowing the merits of the game to appear much more prominent. DW4 in my opinion dropped in standard after DW3 but it went back up with DW5 so hopefully 6 and 7 will follow the same pattern.



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Feb 29, 08 at 03:22PM
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I would definately want to buy this to both have a look at what the plot is and to generally support KOEI



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