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Duncan Idaho The Top General of The Atriedes Forces Neo: Essential total posts: 12155 neopoints: 325 since: Dec 2007	Oct 23, 12 at 8:14pm ^ re: Garchomp, Home At Last?
	Log in to remove this sponsored message quote MagnetBoy Amen to the Genesect point, also Cloyster's new popularity this Gen from ShellSmash means sooner or later someone will pick up on his defensive prowess as necessary, which would be a nice change of pace for the meta to see some more flexible Pokemon being used Thanks, i made sure not to post more of chomp until i had given some extensive testing, there are 2 SD sets i see threatening LO, Lefties, there is a bulky chomp set that migth gain popularity, if it only got a good recovery ability he would be an amazing tank, on the other hand a rock helmet set via bulky chomp is something to worry, chomp will realy cause switches so having jirachi as a wish passer or vaporeon even is a good idea, sub sd has lost some value due to priority and as you pointed out cloyster is now on the play so ice shard becomes a new threat to chomp overall via white herb cloyster. making some calcs and noting down some stuff, i figure out unless chomp runs always a yache berry cloyster can OHKO it +2 outrage chomp wont OHKO choice band cloyster, with no yache it's a sure kill, with yache it's a 2OHKO, scarf sect is actually a good counter, with 0 HP ev's and 0 DEF ev's it can take a single outrage and OHKO back with ice beam assuming a hazardless match (i wont bother to add rocks or spikes for a simple reason it's not a perfect guarantee that matches will always have during all turns the hazards), spoiler A) assumes outrage locked chomp, spoiler B) assumes EQ, spoiler C) assumes SE, spoiler D) Assumes rainless fire fang and spoiler E) Assumes rain and fire fang, please bear with me. Spoiler:Calcs scarf Gene vs Chomp (DL boost) 252 +1 SpAtk Genesect Ice Beam vs 4 HP/0 SpDef Yache Berry Garchomp: 93,85% - 110,61% (62,5% chance to OHKO) pretty good chance, with rocks it goes to 100% yache chomp vs scarf sect at +2 252 +2 Atk Garchomp Outrage vs 0 HP/0 Def Genesect: 72,08% - 85,16% (2 hits to KO) that is to say that if genesects comes in in the turn chomp sets the SD it's F*ed if it's sub SD it's the same as it will be ohko'ed singe +2 outrage does not nets chomp the KO, bulky sets dont even stand a chance Spoiler:EQ and Sect 252 +2 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs 0 HP/0 Def Genesect: 120,14% - 142,05% (Guaranteed OHKO) Spoiler:SE and sect 252 +2 Atk Garchomp Stone Edge vs 0 HP/0 Def Genesect: 80,21% - 94,7% (2 hits to KO) Spoiler:FF no rain 252 +2 Atk Garchomp Fire Fang vs 0 HP/0 Def Genesect: 209,19% - 247,35% (Guaranteed OHKO) Spoiler:**FF rain 252 +2 Atk Garchomp Fire Fang vs 0 HP/0 Def Genesect: 104,59% - 124,38% (Guaranteed OHKO) genesect has 3 chances to switch in, at SD, at outrage or at SE ------------------- Support the Last Story wiki! Contribute to the Xenoblade wiki!
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supergoji18 Godzilla > you ultra seeker total posts: 1519 since: Feb 2012	Oct 24, 12 at 11:01am ^ re: Garchomp, Home At Last?
	Duncan Idaho a lot of Cloysters nowadays run Focus Sash. So it can pretty much guarantee a Shell Smash against Garchomp unless it uses Dual Chop, but I'm not sure how much Dual Chop does it it anyway so even that is going to be a possible free SS. Afterword, even a Subed Yache Berry Garchomp is a goner. ------------------- BW Friend Code: 0089 6898 6121 Trainer Name: E-rocK Neoleague Badges: Fighting, Electric
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MagnetBoy Meandering to the beat of my own drummer (moderator) Pokémon Strategy total posts: 5889 since: Jul 2010	Oct 24, 12 at 1:12pm ^ re: Garchomp, Home At Last?
	Duncan Idaho (and supergoji18 since you brought up Cloyster and double hit moves) don't forget that IcicleSpear from Cloyster will bring down Chomp's Yache Berry and/or Substitute in a flash before finishing the KO with the other four hits left to take thanks to Skill Link ------------------- Have cool sets? Post in the Moveset Competition and see how you stack up! Wanna earn badges? Try the NeoLeague! Pumped for Pokemon X and Y? We are, so we made a FORUM!
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supergoji18 Godzilla > you ultra seeker total posts: 1519 since: Feb 2012	Oct 24, 12 at 1:48pm ^ re: Garchomp, Home At Last?
	quote MagnetBoy Duncan Idaho (and supergoji18 since you brought up Cloyster and double hit moves) don't forget that IcicleSpear from Cloyster will bring down Chomp's Yache Berry and/or Substitute in a flash before finishing the KO with the other four hits left to take thanks to Skill Link that's what I meant when I said that, and I quote, "even a subed Yache Berry Garchomp is a goner" ------------------- BW Friend Code: 0089 6898 6121 Trainer Name: E-rocK Neoleague Badges: Fighting, Electric
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MagnetBoy Meandering to the beat of my own drummer (moderator) Pokémon Strategy total posts: 5889 since: Jul 2010	Oct 24, 12 at 1:51pm ^ re: Garchomp, Home At Last?
	quote supergoji18 quote MagnetBoy Duncan Idaho (and supergoji18 since you brought up Cloyster and double hit moves) don't forget that IcicleSpear from Cloyster will bring down Chomp's Yache Berry and/or Substitute in a flash before finishing the KO with the other four hits left to take thanks to Skill Link that's what I meant when I said that, and I quote, "even a subed Yache Berry Garchomp is a goner" Well, if it runs StoneEdge then it can hit Cloyster at least once and try to do something, and dat crit chance...that's about it though yeah ------------------- Have cool sets? Post in the Moveset Competition and see how you stack up! Wanna earn badges? Try the NeoLeague! Pumped for Pokemon X and Y? We are, so we made a FORUM!
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supergoji18 Godzilla > you ultra seeker total posts: 1519 since: Feb 2012	Oct 24, 12 at 1:58pm ^ re: Garchomp, Home At Last?
	quote MagnetBoy quote supergoji18 quote MagnetBoy Duncan Idaho (and supergoji18 since you brought up Cloyster and double hit moves) don't forget that IcicleSpear from Cloyster will bring down Chomp's Yache Berry and/or Substitute in a flash before finishing the KO with the other four hits left to take thanks to Skill Link that's what I meant when I said that, and I quote, "even a subed Yache Berry Garchomp is a goner" Well, if it runs StoneEdge then it can hit Cloyster at least once and try to do something, and dat crit chance...that's about it though yeah its only a 12.5% chance! But out of curiosity, how much will a stone edge do against Cloyster? ------------------- BW Friend Code: 0089 6898 6121 Trainer Name: E-rocK Neoleague Badges: Fighting, Electric
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Duncan Idaho The Top General of The Atriedes Forces Neo: Essential total posts: 12155 neopoints: 325 since: Dec 2007	Oct 24, 12 at 4:03pm ^ re: Garchomp, Home At Last?
	quote supergoji18 quote MagnetBoy quote supergoji18 quote MagnetBoy Duncan Idaho (and supergoji18 since you brought up Cloyster and double hit moves) don't forget that IcicleSpear from Cloyster will bring down Chomp's Yache Berry and/or Substitute in a flash before finishing the KO with the other four hits left to take thanks to Skill Link that's what I meant when I said that, and I quote, "even a subed Yache Berry Garchomp is a goner" Well, if it runs StoneEdge then it can hit Cloyster at least once and try to do something, and dat crit chance...that's about it though yeah its only a 12.5% chance! But out of curiosity, how much will a stone edge do against Cloyster? Spoiler:No SD boost 252 Atk Garchomp Stone Edge vs 48 HP/0 Def Cloyster: 52,17% - 61,66% (2 hits to KO) Spoiler:SD boost 252 +2 Atk Garchomp Stone Edge vs 48 HP/0 Def Cloyster: 102,77% - 121,74% (Guaranteed OHKO) ------------------- Support the Last Story wiki! Contribute to the Xenoblade wiki!
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supergoji18 Godzilla > you ultra seeker total posts: 1519 since: Feb 2012	Oct 24, 12 at 5:28pm ^ re: Garchomp, Home At Last?
	quote Duncan Idaho quote supergoji18 quote MagnetBoy quote supergoji18 quote MagnetBoy Duncan Idaho (and supergoji18 since you brought up Cloyster and double hit moves) don't forget that IcicleSpear from Cloyster will bring down Chomp's Yache Berry and/or Substitute in a flash before finishing the KO with the other four hits left to take thanks to Skill Link that's what I meant when I said that, and I quote, "even a subed Yache Berry Garchomp is a goner" Well, if it runs StoneEdge then it can hit Cloyster at least once and try to do something, and dat crit chance...that's about it though yeah its only a 12.5% chance! But out of curiosity, how much will a stone edge do against Cloyster? Spoiler:No SD boost 252 Atk Garchomp Stone Edge vs 48 HP/0 Def Cloyster: 52,17% - 61,66% (2 hits to KO) Spoiler:SD boost 252 +2 Atk Garchomp Stone Edge vs 48 HP/0 Def Cloyster: 102,77% - 121,74% (Guaranteed OHKO) ok, so switching into a Stone Edge is obviously out of the question. It would probably be best to just revenge kill Garchomp with shell smash + icicle spear. Unless it can kill it with Dual Chop... How much does Dual chop do in total? ------------------- BW Friend Code: 0089 6898 6121 Trainer Name: E-rocK Neoleague Badges: Fighting, Electric
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acetrainershaun Retired NL Bug Gym Leader Record 44-23 s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1764 since: Dec 2010	Oct 26, 12 at 9:38am ^ re: Garchomp, Home At Last?
	supergoji18 Dual chop isn't going to KO Cloyster anytime soon. Its base is the same as Dragon Claw after it hits twice. Spoiler:D claw calc = Dual Chop Detailed Result: 252 Atk Garchomp Dragon Claw vs 0 HP/0 Def Cloyster: 32.37% - 38.59% 3-4 hits to KO
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Jeevs Swaggerific (moderator) Pokémon Battle Tournaments Pokémon Battles total posts: 4838 since: Apr 2010	Oct 26, 12 at 10:01am ^ re: Garchomp, Home At Last?
	dual chop isn't effective as it is anymore since the main sub users are latias and jirachi, one who outspeeds and kills you, the either resists dual chop
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Poketrainer_Jay Can you keep up? Still Seekin' total posts: 3352 since: Jan 2011	Oct 26, 12 at 11:18am ^ re: Garchomp, Home At Last?
	Garchomp is overrated, Scarf Genesect says Hi ------------------- Can you keep up?
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supergoji18 Godzilla > you ultra seeker total posts: 1519 since: Feb 2012	Oct 26, 12 at 12:00pm ^ re: Garchomp, Home At Last?
	Acetrainershaun & Jeevs the only reason my Garchomp even carries Dual Chop is because of how Common the FEAR strategy is on random wifi battles. I'd change it to Outrage were it not for that one fact PokemonTrainer_Jay scarf Genesect just lols at garchomp's pathetic attempts to set up ------------------- BW Friend Code: 0089 6898 6121 Trainer Name: E-rocK Neoleague Badges: Fighting, Electric
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Jeevs Swaggerific (moderator) Pokémon Battle Tournaments Pokémon Battles total posts: 4838 since: Apr 2010	Oct 26, 12 at 12:03pm ^ re: Garchomp, Home At Last?
	quote supergoji18 PokemonTrainer_Jay scarf Genesect just lols at garchomp's pathetic attempts to set up Yache Chomp is pretty popular actually
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supergoji18 Godzilla > you ultra seeker total posts: 1519 since: Feb 2012	Oct 26, 12 at 12:25pm ^ re: Garchomp, Home At Last?
	quote Jeevs quote supergoji18 PokemonTrainer_Jay scarf Genesect just lols at garchomp's pathetic attempts to set up Yache Chomp is pretty popular actually can Garchomp take a +1 ice beam? ------------------- BW Friend Code: 0089 6898 6121 Trainer Name: E-rocK Neoleague Badges: Fighting, Electric
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acetrainershaun Retired NL Bug Gym Leader Record 44-23 s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1764 since: Dec 2010	Oct 26, 12 at 1:11pm ^ re: Garchomp, Home At Last?
	Poketrainer_Jay Anyone with competitive experience would predict an ice beam and Garchomp is capable of being a good decent scarf user oh wait its faster than Gene and gets fire fang...Bye bye buggy. supergoji18 Use stealth rock. Fear strategy is 100% useless after stealth rock damage or spike damage. And it depends on how Genesect is Ev'd. If its split Ev's 128 in SpA and Atk Yache chomp is fairly safe from Ice Beam Ohko'ing it (only 6.25% of the time) If Genesect is fully Special Attack Ev'd Yache Chomp doesn't really have that great a chance as shown below. Spoiler:Full Special Ev'd Genesect vs Yache Chomp 252 +1 SpAtk Genesect Ice Beam vs 4 HP/0 SpDef Yache Berry Garchomp: 93.85% - 110.61% 62.5% chance to OHKO
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