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Xenctuary Space Cowboy Neo: Essential total posts: 11615 GameGrep pts: 4170 since: May 2001	Jul 19, 08 at 12:28am Removing "Thumbs down" from comments
	It's felt that a lot of the perceived hostility on GameGrep stems from the fact that negative ratings can be assigned to user comments. I'd like to throw an idea out to the community in regards to altering this system. This change would come in the form of simply removing the "Thumbs down" option entirely and instead working on a "Thumbs up" only basis. This would mean that if you like what a fellow member has written, or if you feel that a well voiced and valid point was made, you can proceed to give appropriate props. Troublesome comments would be handled through a report feature that has no affect upon the comment itself until a moderator has seen to it. This system could extend further, providing an option to sort replies in order of "Most respected". Does anyone have any further suggestions for such a change, or even any issues with it? ------------------- ^{Neoseeker Community 2.0 now live! CLICK HERE to check it out!}
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Final Blade Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13855 GameGrep pts: 13817 since: Nov 2006	Jul 19, 08 at 12:37am re: Removing "Thumbs down" from comments
	_{Yes I 100% Agree with this suggestion. I've stated many times as well as many other members how there is a gamegrep thumbs down crew present and abusing the feature. Even iLLmatic called them puppets, which made me lol irl. Whether certain members want to believe or acknowledge it is their choice. I've expressed this months ago in this thread I didn't get the responses I wanted. But it was mainly from one member. But I still stand by what I wrote then, and im glad Xenc has suggested this, he also have seen in abuse of the feature and is sick and tired of it. Maybe now people will understand the abuse its been causing for months. Imo this will make Game-grepping a more fair and friendlier place.} ------------------- _{Welcome to Crisis Core forum} _{Welcome to Bad Company 2} _{God of War 3 official forum community}
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Bale Fire So powerful it burns through time Hooked on Neo total posts: 4476 GameGrep pts: 16356 since: Jan 2007	Jul 19, 08 at 12:57am re: Removing "Thumbs down" from comments
	Well after much thought I think it's worth a try, we can always change back. But I really think people need to get over the whole thumbing down, if you get your comment removed then fair enough but how does it effect you if someone disagrees with you and gives you a thumb down? That's what its for after all, it seems however that people just can't take it. But that aside I second it ------------------- My Fanfiction My Neo-duels Like Resistance? Like Fanfiction? Come right here!
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Xenctuary Space Cowboy Neo: Essential total posts: 11615 GameGrep pts: 4170 since: May 2001	Jul 19, 08 at 1:31am re: Removing "Thumbs down" from comments
	You have to to take into consideration that "Thumbing down" in itself is rather ambiguous. Did the comment receive a negative rating because it was offensive, because it was poorly written or simply because the user didn't agree with their view? Furthermore, the fact that you believe that some members "just can't take it" is in itself a strong reason for change. We shouldn't allow site features to cause such problems. It just puts members off of commenting. ------------------- ^{Neoseeker Community 2.0 now live! CLICK HERE to check it out!}
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Capn Droid Neoholic total posts: 11365 GameGrep pts: 1261 since: Jan 2006	Jul 20, 08 at 11:44am re: Removing "Thumbs down" from comments
	quote Final Blade _{Yes I 100% Agree with this suggestion. I've stated many times as well as many other members how there is a gamegrep thumbs down crew present and abusing the feature. Even iLLmatic called them puppets, which made me lol irl. Whether certain members want to believe or acknowledge it is their choice. I've expressed this months ago in this thread I didn't get the responses I wanted. But it was mainly from one member. But I still stand by what I wrote then, and im glad Xenc has suggested this, he also have seen in abuse of the feature and is sick and tired of it. Maybe now people will understand the abuse its been causing for months. Imo this will make Game-grepping a more fair and friendlier place.} _{I'm unsurprised that Final Blade made the first comment, since all of his comments get thumbed down, regardless of whether they're logical or not. But yes, I agree completely. It feels disheartening to get thumbed down. Only thumb ups should be allowed in my opinion.} -------------------
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Akira_EX Scribblenauts (moderator) General Wii total posts: 12544 neopoints: 4103 GameGrep pts: 16477 since: Sep 2001	Jul 20, 08 at 11:57am re: Removing "Thumbs down" from comments
	Maybe we can keep the thumbs up/thumbs down, except have the counter not go negative? At the very least, have it not display negative. Under the hood, it can go negative (like if somebody thumbs down at zero), but won't display as such. Then you can do a +1 point reward if a comment gets to 5/10 thumbs, and have it not be a point of contention. ------------------- [What's New on the Wii Shop Channel?]
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Final Blade Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13855 GameGrep pts: 13817 since: Nov 2006	Jul 20, 08 at 9:48pm re: Removing "Thumbs down" from comments
	_{What purpose would that hold Akira? Its no difference to this suggestion. I rather not have the thumbs down period. Instead use the same rating as you do for articles on comments. Because think about this, if I get +2 thumbs cause someone liked it, then you keep the thumbs down in your suggestion that means I will still lose thumbs for whatever reason and quite frankly thats just as bad. People have been abusing this feature for good knows how long everyone knows it mostly, this needs to go. I would also like to hear Redemption opinions on this. If I get a thumbs up I want it to stay cause obvious it will negate the thumbs down crew gamegrep has for months. Your suggestion Akira is no different to the current problem. Capn its obvious I would be the one commenting first since I have had how many comments of mine which are worthy of points get negatives only cause people think they're cool thumbing them down. Also I've recorded some of my thumbs on my posts and my theory holds, one time I got - thumbs for stating how Nintendo are milking Mario Zelda and MP, which im sure it was from Ninty fanboys, and only then someone said "what the hell does he have minus thumbs? He's right" Then I got thumbs up again. And then many times, I counted 40 times, that I've had at least 1 point one day only to get a negative thumbs the next day. Seriously why would you thumb down a comment if someone found it worthy of a thumbs up? Obviously it was good enough to get a thumbs, thats another example of the abusing and not being fair. Its one of the many reasons why i've stop going on gamegrep everyday. And also if you care to read my link when I was talking about this many people from my knowledge and sources claim to thumb my posts down because im final blade and they hate me. And yes as crazy as that sounds its true and one of them actually admitted they've done it. And thats not fair and not how to use the feature. This will undoubtedly make gamegrep posting better place, knowing the only thing my posts are going to get is thumbs up or just stay at 0, and if they do gets thumbs up they can't be brought down. This is one of the many reasons why I've been getting mad at gamegrep system with it. Too many people just hating on the member and thumbs them down for no reason.} _{Oh and Xenc if for some reason you may like Akira suggestion would it be possible to make a system on the thumbs rating, similar to report, why your thumbing down? Like a pop up box stating your reason and it will be processed with or by the mods? I do want your suggestion but this will maybe stop the problem to if this was added, I would rather have the original suggestion of course. Just throwing around some ideas.} This message was edited by Final Blade on Jul 20 2008. ------------------- _{Welcome to Crisis Core forum} _{Welcome to Bad Company 2} _{God of War 3 official forum community}
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Capn Droid Neoholic total posts: 11365 GameGrep pts: 1261 since: Jan 2006	Jul 21, 08 at 8:46am re: Removing "Thumbs down" from comments
	_{I like the idea of "why are you thumbing down this comment"? If we're to keep thumbing down, I think it shouldn't go lower than zero, and you should give a reason as to why you're thumbing down.} -------------------
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Magimaster I wanna take you for a ride (moderator) Strategy/Simulation [DS] total posts: 4390 GameGrep pts: 1831 since: Aug 2003	Jul 21, 08 at 9:06am re: Removing "Thumbs down" from comments
	I don't think there's any need to completely remove the thumbs down system. Being a journalist, you're supposed to be able to handle the criticism. So you got thumb-downed, get over it. It's the internet. And all it means is that somebody doesn't necessarily agree with your perspective, but hey, everybody's entitled to their own opinions. Although, I'll admit that the system is a pain in the ass when fanboys start to gratuitously thumb you down for the slightest criticism. ------------------- Mr. T says: I pity the fool who hasn't played Knights in the Nightmare yet.
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Deathsythe Avasythe: Dividing by Zero since 2008 (moderator) Wiki Staff Applications wiki staff advancewars digimon fable guitarhero neowiki total posts: 6756 neopoints: 1181 GameGrep pts: 7447 since: Jul 2002	Jul 21, 08 at 1:08pm re: Removing "Thumbs down" from comments
	I don't see the reason to remove it. I have rarely seen an article that has comments with enough thumbs to actually be removed from view. (perhaps once or twice in my whole GG career) Also - to reiterate what Magimaster just said - we should be able to handle if someone didn't agree with what we wrote, or the way we wrote it, or of you just wrote some inane response that shouldn't be there in the first place. If it is absolutely necessary- then perhaps a mandatory reply if you are going to thumb down a comment, but definitely not complete removal. Just my $0.02
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Final Blade Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13855 GameGrep pts: 13817 since: Nov 2006	Jul 21, 08 at 1:13pm re: Removing "Thumbs down" from comments
	quote Magimaster I don't think there's any need to completely remove the thumbs down system. Being a journalist, you're supposed to be able to handle the criticism. So you got thumb-downed, get over it. It's the internet. And all it means is that somebody doesn't necessarily agree with your perspective, but hey, everybody's entitled to their own opinions. Although, I'll admit that the system is a pain in the ass when fanboys start to gratuitously thumb you down for the slightest criticism. _{Pretty much why the suggestion is being stated. Are you suggesting I should be fine with my posts that says "OMG thats funny" Or "I agree with the article" Or "I like this game" And getting negative thumbs? Cause I don't and have had them happen many times for no reason as has others. The thumbs gone should be gone from people. Its being abused heavily. The site is supposed to attract readers and commentors not drive them away, especially when we have a thumbs down crew on the prowl thumbing down posts cause 1 they don't like it, even though its a good post. Or 2 They don't like the Member and will thumb them down, yet have Aholes getting praised with 10 thumbs up. Its not fair and right. I have been put off by gamegrep cause of the abuse. Everytime I go and post a comment there's a 90% chance of it being thumbs down, 5 percent thumbs up and 5 no decisions.} ------------------- _{Welcome to Crisis Core forum} _{Welcome to Bad Company 2} _{God of War 3 official forum community}
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Moonset Neo or Bust since: Mar 2003	Jul 22, 08 at 12:25am re: Removing "Thumbs down" from comments
	If you are thumbed down that often then its time to reconsider your words before you say something. I'm not against the thumbing down, but I'd prefer that we have the option to show comments that were thumbed down below the threshold. At least that way we can see if someone's being thumbed down for being an idiot or if its just a case of people getting their panties in a bunch for no reason. ------------------- Who's that? The Mastermind.
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Xenctuary Space Cowboy Neo: Essential total posts: 11615 GameGrep pts: 4170 since: May 2001	Jul 22, 08 at 9:53am re: Removing "Thumbs down" from comments
	quote Magimaster I don't think there's any need to completely remove the thumbs down system. Being a journalist, you're supposed to be able to handle the criticism. Remember guys, no one is saying you would no longer be entitled to having an opinion. While you'd no longer be able to anonymously rate down a comment, you'd still be more than welcome to write a reply and voice your reasons for not agreeing with it. Composing a thought out post is worth a lot more to the community than just clicking an icon without any explanation (which is far from proper criticism). If the points in your response echo those of others, it will be the one receiving the "Thumbs up". ------------------- ^{Neoseeker Community 2.0 now live! CLICK HERE to check it out!}
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Final Blade Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13855 GameGrep pts: 13817 since: Nov 2006	Jul 22, 08 at 10:31am re: Removing "Thumbs down" from comments
	quote Smoke N a Pancake If you are thumbed down that often then its time to reconsider your words before you say something. I'm not against the thumbing down, but I'd prefer that we have the option to show comments that were thumbed down below the threshold. At least that way we can see if someone's being thumbed down for being an idiot or if its just a case of people getting their panties in a bunch for no reason. _{I shouldn't have to feel unwanted by idiots thumbing down posts Moon. My words most of the time is fine and doesn't deserve thumbs down. People are abusing the feature not just mine but others.} ------------------- _{Welcome to Crisis Core forum} _{Welcome to Bad Company 2} _{God of War 3 official forum community}
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Absolute forum junky since: Jul 2008	Jul 22, 08 at 11:57am re: Removing "Thumbs down" from comments
	I see absolutely no problem with the Thumbs down feature. Fanboys or not, people should be able to voice their opinions.
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