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quote DjedwardSmith
Really not sure what I want.
Would absolutely love to be able to say we knocked out Barcelona, would just be an absolute vindication of everything Arsenal fans have defended Wenger for for years.
On the otherhand, going out now with Chelsea and United and Spurs looking likely to progress means we'd be fresher for the run in.
Worst case scenario is going out AND losing key players.
And yeah, Denilson would get rings run round him similar to Carrick when Barca played their little merry go round two years ago. Diaby has a diabolical first touch though which would kill us when trying to counter.
Get the feeling Arshavin is going to put in a shift. Wilshere will have a poor game. Cesc will be frustrated. We'll give away a penalty. And lose gallantly 4-1, our goal being a late consolation which sparks a charge that is ultimately too late.
That is the reason I want Barca to win, so Arsenal and the English commentators can't say that  It will be a different game from last year. Arsenal had to score at the Nou Camp last year to stand a chance of going through. I think the Arsenal team will be set up differently and for that reason, I can't see it being another thumping - well, unless Barcelona score early. Barcelona missing their centre backs could be a big blow - Abidal is solid but Milito is rubbish. On the other hand, they still have the most lethal attack in the world. I think they can step up when they really need to and I can't see a way past them for this match, they are too good for any team on the planet. Plus I really don't want Arsenal to win 
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quote Mycon
You can say that if a team is dominant in a game and are seemingly the superior team. They should win but for their lack of focus. You can't say it just for any old game, in this case this is what seemed to have happened for me. Barca had no tempo in the second-half, were 1-0 up and cruising it seemed as though concentration was their main problem. Arsenal exploited this well like a top team should.
That sounds nothing like a lack of concentration to me, that sounds like Arsenal were the better team during the second half simply due to playing superior football and wanting it more. A lack of concentration doesn't last 45 minutes, for example you could switch off for a set piece and lose your man and concede. That's a lack of concentration. I agree with you, it wasn't a lack of concentration. It was almost as if Barca were too cocky and thought they could easily see out the rest of the match. I doubt they will make the same mistake the second time round though.
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quote Daily Record
Teenager Jack Wilshere won rave reviews for his display against Barca in the first leg and more than held his own against Iniesta and Xavi in midfield.
But Barca boss Pep Guardiola took a sly dig at him last night by saying he had similar players in his RESERVES.
He said: "We have many players like Wilshere in the second team. Made me lol. What a legend of a guy 
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quote wba_4_eva
he also said he is a top player and can go on to be a great player for arsenal and england but i assume that was conviniently left out of their quote.
That just means England are about as good as the Barca B team 
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quote DjedwardSmith
quote shaunie
quote wba_4_eva
he also said he is a top player and can go on to be a great player for arsenal and england but i assume that was conviniently left out of their quote.
That just means England are about as good as the Barca B team  I'd take that tbh. Not seen any of the quotes so I'll not pass judgement on it. Disagree that this is "a defining night". Nobody expects us to win or even go through realistically so we'll hardly be torn apart if we lose. With regards to RVP, Wenger himself thought he was a month away, Robin asked to play so they gave him a fitness test yesterday and he passed it. He's travelled essentially as a +1 as they're going to see today how he reacts to yesterdays test Oh, and Diaby or Denilson will be replacing Song. So that's us out then Except from Wenger. He says he is not worried. He also said this will be one of the times you see Arsenal defending for 60% of the match. That made me laugh a little, if he thinks he is going to the Nou Camp with a lead to defend but his team will only be defending for 60% of the match, he has another thing coming. If Arsenal sit back, it will be closer to 90% of the match they will have to defend for.
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quote DjedwardSmith
quote shaunie
Except from Wenger. He says he is not worried. He also said this will be one of the times you see Arsenal defending for 60% of the match. That made me laugh a little, if he thinks he is going to the Nou Camp with a lead to defend but his team will only be defending for 60% of the match, he has another thing coming. If Arsenal sit back, it will be closer to 90% of the match they will have to defend for.
Think you've missed the point there, he;s not saying we're setting out to defend, he's stating the obvious that we'l see less of the ball I suppose, but I still believe, unless Barcelona score early, Arsenal will be forced to defend for more than 60% of them match.
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quote Exonerate
So you're suggesting that Arsenal will only see 10% of the ball? Even Barcelona can't reduce Arsenal to seeing as little of the ball as that.
In the first game the possession was 60-40 in Barca's favour, that won't increase THAT much at the Camp Nou, the difference will be how they use the ball (assuming they perform better, it's being spouted as a given but remember Hercules).
Arsenal defending for 60% of the match sounds about right. If anything, Barcelona will be defending for 90% of the game, because the way Guardiola sees it, keeping the ball is an act of defence in itself.
Keeping the ball when you're winning is seen as an act of defence. Barcelona are losing going into this game but I can't see them approaching it differently. It's hardly an act of defence in their case. But if you are saying keeping the ball is an act of defence then surely if any of the 2 teams, Arsenal will be the ones defending for 90% of ther game. Both when Barcelona have the ball and when Arsenal themselves have the ball. quote DjedwardSmith
Oh yeah that's a distinct posssibility, but I don't think we'll set out to defend, if anything we'll be our usual frustrating selves and try to play it out. That could be suicidal with Barcelona pressing high and being especially fired up for this match as they are losing.
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I never looked at it like that Exonerate, I suppose you are correct. And Arsenal don't play like Barcelona, it's so annoying when people say they play the same way. Sometimes Barcelona and Spain can be boring to watch, but when they get into the final third of the pitch and turn on the style, it's worth watching the boring parts just to see the moments(s) of magic at the end.
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quote Exonerate
Valdes; Dani Alves, Busquets, Abidal, Adriano; Mascherano; Xavi, Iniesta; Pedro, David Villa, Messi. Subs: Pinto, Bojan, Keita, Milito, Maxwell, Affellay, Thiago. Valdes
Alves - Busquets - Abidal - Adriano
Mascherano
Xavi - Iniesta
Messi - Villa - Messi
Szczesny; Sagna, Djourou, Koscielny, Clichy; Diaby, Wilshere; Nasri, Fabregas, Rosicky; Van Persie Subs: Almunia, Denilson, Squillaci, Arshavin, Eboue, Chamakh, Bendtner Szczesny
Sagna - Djourou - Koscielny - Clichy
Diaby - Wilshere
Nasri - Fabregas - Rosicky
Van Persie Arsenal are really screwed if there are 2 Messi's playing 
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quote Exonerate
PEStar, if Barcelona don't score I won't masturbate for a year That's a right risky thing to say there exonerate. I agree with you about the defence, Abidal is solid and I'm sure Busquets will know what he is doing. Remember Yaya Toure at Stamford Bridge? Filled in at CB and was outstanding. Pep ain't stupid, he obviously has the confidence in Busquets playing there so I think he will do the job. And like you said, they have Mascherano in front of the defence and I don't need to elaborate on him. After seeing the line-ups, I still feel confident Barcelona will go through. I really hope they do go through. I hope the game is exciting though, but I'm going for 3-1 to Barcelona with Pedro to score first.
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Fantastic from Messi and Iniesta for the goal. Fabregas should now be shot.
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Wasn't the best game to watch but what score did I predict? Was it 3-1 to Barcelona I said? Cos I'm pretty sure it was  RVP was unlucky to be sent off but I can understand why the referee chose to do it. Just saw the stats, Arsenal never had one shot during the full game. Yeah they were down to 10 men, but for a team considered a contender to win the competition, that is shocking. Redknapp summed it up well - if Arsenal had won their group, they would have had an easier tie. Against a team as highly rated as Arsenal, I have never seen a more one-sided match in my life. I know Arsenal had 10 men, but that was incredible from Barcelona in the second half.
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quote NathanTheGoonerBoy
referee ruined that game, would have had a chance had he not been so *bleep*ing ridiculous. 80k fans that see 'whistling' as great *bleep*ing atmosphere... and he sends persie off for shooting one *bleep*ing second after he blew. what a load of shit.
as for the barca players, pricks the lot of em. roll around on the floor and 3 seconds later up smiling, like a team of *bleep*ing cristiano ronaldos.
*bleep*ing gutted right now, would have been magical had it been that prick busquests OG to put us through. The *bleep*ing prick hope he dies. If by that you mean they are all technically gifted then I would agree with you. I wouldn't say all of their players roll around - I can think of a few who don't do it. And I can also think of a couple of Arsenal players doing the same thing tbh. I can understand why you are so annoyed though, I would feel the same had it happened to my club. Arsenal were totally outclassed in every way tonight though, I don't think you can have too many complaints when it comes to the result. After seeing the replay of the red card, RVP doens't even celebrate after he scores - a.k.a. he knew exactly what he was doing 
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quote Mycon
quote shaunie
I have never seen a more one-sided match in my life. I know Arsenal had 10 men, but that was incredible from Barcelona in the second half.
Guess you didn't see Inter v Barca last year then in the same stadium. In fact that's the way everyone seems to play against them. I seem to be missing something with Barcelona falling about. Didn't annoy me one bit during the game, didn't see as out of the ordinary at all. Maybe it's because I expect a bit of it. In fact I even remember a point where a Barcelona player was tackled and could have went down but stayed on his feet. Daniel Alves is a *bleep* however. Oh yeah. I meant to say I don't think I've seen a team of that calibre outclassed in the way they were tonight. And I know the time you mean about the Barca player that never went down. It happened a couple of times. Villa could have went down and won a penalty and Pedro could also have easily won a penalty before the actual penalty.
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quote Sam
quote shaunie
quote NathanTheGoonerBoy
referee ruined that game, would have had a chance had he not been so *bleep*ing ridiculous. 80k fans that see 'whistling' as great *bleep*ing atmosphere... and he sends persie off for shooting one *bleep*ing second after he blew. what a load of shit.
as for the barca players, pricks the lot of em. roll around on the floor and 3 seconds later up smiling, like a team of *bleep*ing cristiano ronaldos.
*bleep*ing gutted right now, would have been magical had it been that prick busquests OG to put us through. The *bleep*ing prick hope he dies. If by that you mean they are all technically gifted then I would agree with you. I wouldn't say all of their players roll around - I can think of a few who don't do it. And I can also think of a couple of Arsenal players doing the same thing tbh. I can understand why you are so annoyed though, I would feel the same had it happened to my club. Arsenal were totally outclassed in every way tonight though, I don't think you can have too many complaints when it comes to the result. After seeing the replay of the red card, RVP doens't even celebrate after he scores - a.k.a. he knew exactly what he was doing  It never went in you tit.... And he basically said why did the referee turn up he was a joke. Oh, my mistake hahaha
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quote Av3ry
Whats that Fench twat Wenger got to moan about??? The fact his team played crap???
The farce of a red card he gave to RVP which ruined any chance we did have? Or the joke yellow cards he handed out to Sagna and Koscielny? *bleep* off with this bollocks about "it was his own fault he was already on a yellow", it doesn't change the fact it was never a yellow. And Abidal should have been sent off in the first half for all those getting high and mighty about "MESSI DISALLOWED GOAL AND MESSI PENALTY". As for why we didn't push forward, everyone looked dead on their feet. The farcical red card would have made no difference. It was anti football at its best 
Barcelona covered 4000 metres more than Arsenal apparently or something like that. If it was at it's best, Arsenal would have went through 
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See the people talking about Barcelona play acting, how come no one mentions the incredible, awesome, outstanding, soon to be best player ever (exaggeration btw) Jack Wilshere staying down when he clearly didn't need to and diving a couple of times? Oh yeah, it's cos he is English. quote Manchesterr
for people saying anti-football, you are j0kes. Having 0 shots usually does suggest anti-football. However, a lot of credit is due to Barcelona for the way Arsenal played. Barcelona were so outstanding that Arsenal couldn't keep the ball and struggled to create chances because of this. But I can understand why paople are calling it anti-football.
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quote NathanTheGoonerBoy
quote shaunie
See the people talking about Barcelona play acting, how come no one mentions the incredible, awesome, outstanding, soon to be best player ever (exaggeration btw) Jack Wilshere staying down when he clearly didn't need to and diving a couple of times? Oh yeah, it's cos he is English.
can't remember these off the top of my head (might have happened) and you being someone who said they'd just watched RVP put the ball in the back of the net and not celebrating... I think i'll probs not even bother cotemplating it tbh. that was a genuine mistake lol. quote PJS
Or cause that time near the end of the first half actually looked like quite a painful tackle perhaps? Maybe so, but when he runs of the park after the tackle, there is no need for him to be staying down. quote DjedwardSmith
Also, Shakthar look class. And yeah, they do. Maybe all of their spending is starting to pay off.
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quote DjedwardSmith
Wait wut, some of you are shocked that Barca did that?
You lot need to open your eyes and watch them a bit more, they've done it for years, they did it against us last year, they did it against Chelsea the year before, they're horrific winners and even worse losers
Have you ever watched Barcelona play? I'd say they are normally unbelievably classy winners and a joy to watch. I can understand why people are annoyed about the sending off. I can also understand what people are saying about RVP's lack of impact. He didn't do anything in the first half when Barca were mediocre, for their high standards. What would Van Persie have done in the second half when Arsenal could barely get the ball out of their own half? I disagree with people saying this gives Arsenal the edge in title race. If anything, it shows they are not ready to fight for the championship and will probably end up with 0 trophies once more this season. If Arsenal are the 2nd best team in England right now, I think last night also shows the gulf in class between Barcelona and the rest of the world: they are miles above the rest and I can't see a way past them for the Champions League.
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quote DjedwardSmith
looks black on my phone  and yeah abidals there is a red without doubt, raise your hands and you walk.
disagree with it but letter of the law. and alves studded nasri twice before then scissoring him. Oh, so you think RVP should have been sent off before he actually received a red card? Because he raised his hands.
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quote Alesana
everyone abuses you because you're being an idiot. you're making it as if since van persie had no shots on goal, the game would have not been different.
arsenal wasn't trying to win the game at that point, they were trying to hold on the lead. sure, we never know what's gonna happen had van persie not sent off; but obviously arsenal could've had a better chance to defend when there are 11 players on the pitch
In the first half, Barcelona were not great by any means, yet Arsenal had nothing going forward. In the second half, fair enough against ten men, they were fantastic. Even if RVP was on the pitch, he wouldn't have had any real defensive duties and Barcelona would probably still have owned them. What makes you think Arsenal would have created any chances when Barcelona were on the top of their game, when they struggled to string 3 passes together when Barcelona were mediocre?
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quote Junior Messi
Busquets had more efforts on target and goals than Arsenal. Busquets > Arsenal? LOL. Tbh, Wenger got his tactics wrong. Barcelona struggle when teams attack them lately. Maybe Wenger decided not to scout Barcelona before the game or something, because he should not have played with 10 men behind the ball. I know Arsenal were leading going into the game, but did Wenger really believe his team would be able to keep Barcelona out? I think Barcelona still would have won if RVP stayed on the park because they are just too good.
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I can understand why Arsenal defended. I guess I'm just disappointed that the game was kind of shit because Arsenal defended the whole game and never created anything whatsoever. Then again, they were forced to defend by Barcelona and couldn't keep the ball because of Barca's off the ball work.
See the people saying Arsenal have shown they are fitter than Barcelona - it looked more like Arsenal switched off both times I've seen them playing at the Emirates. How can you question the fitness of a team when they have a small first team squad, the same players play week-in-week-out, and the majority of these players barely got a break in the summer beause of the world cup. I think it's harsh to say they are not as fit.
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quote Mycon
If a team attacks well enough and takes their chances clinically enough then I'd say they could beat Barca without doing that tedious to watch blanket defence. But teams are unwilling to take that risk on the big stage.
Even when Arsenal were going out, they did nothing. Fair enough they had 10 men, but when you are going out of Europe, you have to give it a go.
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quote Styot
you have to actually have the ball before you can attack them. True dat! Like you have said countless times DJedwardSmith Arsenal were heading through when RVP getting sent off meaning Arsenal didn't need to push forward. Like you said it was a great team goal that gave Barcelona the 2-1 lead. RVP would have had no say in what happened there as he was the one Arsenal player playing further than 30 yards from his own goal. Barcelona were poor, by their standards, in the first half. Partly because Arsenal defended well. I think they would have stepped it up in the second half, like they did, and would still have won the game if RVP had stayed on. Sorry, but against a team like Barcelona, you can't say the red sealed it. I mean *bleep*ing hell, This Barcelona team dominated Chelsea at the Bridge (I think it was at Stamford Bridge) when they had 10 men a couple of years ago. Basically, I think Barcelona still would have won. That is my opinion.
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quote Chelsea Boi
I don't think Barcelona have actually ever dominated us that much at Stamford Bridge.
Arsenal were unfortunate in the decision, but because Barcelona was dominating you can't assume Barcelona would've still gone through if RVP stayed on. I do think the red card changed the game but Fabregas didn't help matters either. Like some people say .. when defending, just soemtimes you need to hoof it rather then be fancy.
It obviously changed the game, but IMO, Barcelona are too good and I still think they would have gone through.
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quote Chelsea Boi
Barcelona are very good, yes but you can't just assume they would've gone through. The red card just made them grow more in confidence. Plus Chelsea have shown that you can keep Barcelona out even though I realise that Barcelona had already scored by then.
I think Arsenal were unlucky, and had RVP stayed on then it may have been different. But as you said .. you've got your opinion, I've got mine.
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Ridiculous how many refereeing errors impact the outcomes of games in big tournaments. Totally agree. Like when Lampard "didn't score" against Germany at the world cup. Then again, I loved it when that happened 
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quote Exonerate
Scotland I'm guessing.
Why would you assume that? 
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quote Matty
[spoiler=][/spoiler] Look up the Plantations there, that'll give you the historical reasons...
And plus, it's not that we hate you and want you to fail, we just find it funny when you do. Like watching a guy you kinda used to know fail in the gym because they tried to lift too much weight. You have no real strong feelings towards them, especialy not anymore, but because he fails due to taking on too much, or thinking a bit too much of himself, you feel no guilt in laughing at them, because you know them.
I dunno if that makes sense but it's a sound analogy in my head
Pretty much this. Also, because the media always bigs England up, it becomes funnier when you fail. Especially in football. quote Styot
They're just jealous because we are 1000 times better at all sports. Andy Murray is Scottish 
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Yeah Deco, Ronaldinho, Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Eto'o to name a few. Poor Barcelona team alright.
He never siad they were a poor team. He said they were not as good then as they are now. Messi and Iniesta were not as good then as they are now. Deco had his best years at Porto. Xavi wasn't as established then, but he was still awesome. Ronaldinho and Eto'o, I'll give you them. They two were awesome at Barca. Not trying to take anything away from that victory, but I can understand where Bollo was coming from.
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Yeah the 06-07 team was better than the current, with only the exception of Pique and Villa, but then again they had Marquez, Zambrotta and Eto'o who could fill in there
Pahahaha! Good one.
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Player-for-player perhaps, but Guardiola is a fantastic coach and there is no doubt in when I say that the current team is better than the one of 06-07. However with that being said, merely dismissing Liverpool's win because Barcelona weren't as good as they are now is harsh. Barcelona were still a fantastic team and were strong favourites, it was a massive shock to everyone when we beat them at the Nou Camp. LuisGarciaisgod's point still stands, Barcelona can be beaten without putting 10 men behind the ball, it just takes a great manager (with balls), a great team ethic and for the team in question to take their chances. They're not invincible by any means. The point about Liverpool doing it can't be taken seriously just now because the Barcelona team is different. In saying that, the point is true. Barcelona have drawn their last 2 league matches (I think) because the opposing teams have attacked against them. It was 2 good teams that done it, Valencia and Sevilla, but it can definitely be done.
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If you think the team that won only the Spanish super cup is on the same level as the one today you're clearly blinded by bias PEStar Oh you mean the reigning European champions like? Be bitter all you want even for a victory that happened 4 years ago. i'm used to it from you anyway. Hercules did it at Camp Nou this season. Proof again it came be done. Hercules didn't attack. They had 2 shots (2 more than Arsenal  ) and scored both of them. But yeah, of course Barcelona aren't invincible. Every team has off days and that includes Barcelona. quote PEStar
Messi wasn't Messi yet? It was his first season where he was a definite first team player. He scored 17 goals that season. To sum up - no, he wasn't Messi yet. EDIT: He had just returned from injury when Barcelona played Liverpool. But tbh, it was a brilliant achievement for Liverpool to beat that Barcelona team at the Nou Camp. They were considered the best team in the world then. Actually, to think that they are better now is kind of scary 
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Well obviously I didn't check stats. I honestly did think they only had 2 shots though  It was a great achievement for Liverpool. Just saying that point isn't valid when saying Barcelona can be beaten when you attack against them because the Barcelona team is different now. But like you mentioned, Hercules done it. And recently, Valencia and Sevilla almost beat them. It definitely can be done.
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Loved that night when we put them out the UEFA Cup. David Marshall will forever be a legend for his goalkeeping performance in the Nou Camp that night!
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Barca really aren't as good as you all seem to think.
They couldn't beat us in either tie and they only had one shot on goal against us in 09 when they robbed us.
I know. I mean, how good can the best team in the world be, right? 
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No one has said Barcelona are unstoppable, just that they are the best team in the world right now. In fact, pretty much everyone has stated they are not unstoppable. And yes, there defence is vulnerable. Watched most of the second half against Sevilla and Sevilla created a few really good chances. Mainly, like you said, because of a pacey player on the counter attack. Barcelona can definitely be stopped, but at their best, I don't think anyone can beat them because they are better than any other team going forward.
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Are we all forgetting that this unstoppable team was beaten by Arsenal just a couple of weeks ago?  Yes, Messi was disallowed a valid goal but from all we know, Messi could have scored that goal and then Sagna could have scored a hat-trick. It's nonsense to hypothesise on what could have happened if such-a-such-a-thing happened. Barcelona are a fantastic team, there is no denying that. But their defence is based on them having the ball, for the 40%, or even 30%, of the game you have the ball, you create chances and score them, you're sorted. I make it sound easy but Arsenal did it at the Emirates to perfection. Their back five isn't that reliable defensively. Theo Walcott would have made one hell of a difference against Barcelona. They're so vulnerable on the break but not many teams can exploit it because they either don't have a pacey player for it, can't intercept a Barcelona pass (or tackle a player) or simply can't break away quick enough. They missed Puyol massively though, and obviously I know they should be able to deal with it without him, but get their usual back 4 and that defence is brilliant, he's so important to them, I think I'm right in thinking that all the games they've lost have been without him. And the Messi/Sagna point is just weird, because Messi should have had a goal, there's no getting around that, Sagna didn't have a goal unfairly disallowed, but I sort of see your point. And you say it's nonsense to hypothesise, then say that Walcott would have made a difference? I said it at the time, people were massively overvaluing Walcott's importance, sure he would have been useful to have, but it's not like Barcelona haven't faced fast players before. It's not a hypothesis, Walcott would have made a difference.  Barcelona can't cope with fast players though, look at Jesus Navas recently for evidence. I mean I know it's not as simple as that, otherwise teams with fast players would always win, but you get what I'm saying. Barcelona's system is vulnerable to pace. Agreed about Puyol though. Walcott probably would have made a difference. He is a great player to have in a counter-attack. Navas is a good example from the other night, they couldn't handle him. Also, even Walcott last year, did he not set up Bendtner's goal?
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