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Johnny Sasaki s-e-e-k-e-r since: Jun 2008	Jun 16, 09 at 11:18pm ^ re: Manchester United
	Log in to remove this sponsored message quote Ishy quote Jess C Please do. Antonio Valencia cannot replace Cristiano Ronaldo. He asked for an explanation, not a statement.
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Boyd Seeketh Maximus total posts: 5262 neopoints: 169 since: Oct 2007	Jun 16, 09 at 11:21pm ^ re: Manchester United
	quote are preparing to sign Gremio starlet Douglas Costa as a replacement for Real Madrid-bound Cristiano Ronaldo, according to the Brazilian's agent. United's network of scouts have been tracking the 18-year-old attacking midfielder for the last two years, but the Premier League champions are now ready to make a firm offer. "They (Manchester United) have identified four or five possible replacements for Cristiano Ronaldo in the world, and Douglas is one of them," agent Cesar Bottega said. "We have been contacted by several clubs some time ago, including Manchester (United), but by South American ones as well." Douglas, who has received rave reviews in his homeland, has four years remaining on his contract with Gremio but reportedly has a £17.8m buyout clause. The diminutive U20 international is seen as one of the biggest up-and-coming talents in Brazil - alongside Santos winger Neymar and Palmeiras striker Keirrison - and is also a free-kick specialist. Costa generally plays through the centre but can also play on the left. Since an £80m fee was agreed with Real for Ronaldo, United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has stepped up his hunt for a suitable replacement. Wigan Athletic winger Antonia Valencia is also a target.
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Jess C Red Devil circa 1997 s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1710 since: May 2004	Jun 17, 09 at 12:44pm ^ re: Manchester United
	quote Ishy Antonio Valencia cannot replace Cristiano Ronaldo. You don't replace great players, you restructure, and we've done that so many times (Brian Robson, Eric Cantona, David Beckham, Roy Keane) its actually perplexing how people still don't get it. Antonio Valencia would be a great signing. ------------------- Young, black, handsome, just a touch of pretention...
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Skares Resident Neo total posts: 3025 since: Nov 2006	Jun 17, 09 at 12:45pm ^ re: Manchester United
	£17m seems a bit steep though.. -------------------
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Validation On loan to LG2 11/12 True Addiction since: Mar 2007	Jun 17, 09 at 12:46pm ^ re: Manchester United
	Boyd12 ~ A video can make anyone look good, if i wanted to i could go in the garden and do some skills and then have my brother cut it to make it look like i'm amazing. You only get to really see how good a player is if you watch them in matches. And i can't see how an 18 year old from Brazil is going to replace Cristiano Ronaldo, Antonio Valencia seems the more probably option. -------------------
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Nicodm (Pinturricchio) Hooked on Neo total posts: 4050 neopoints: 219 since: Jun 2003	Jun 17, 09 at 2:05pm ^ re: Manchester United
	quote Jess C quote Ishy Antonio Valencia cannot replace Cristiano Ronaldo. You don't replace great players, you restructure, and we've done that so many times (Brian Robson, Eric Cantona, David Beckham, Roy Keane) its actually perplexing how people still don't get it. Antonio Valencia would be a great signing. You are exactly right, no one will ever replace him, becuase no one similar to him is anywhere near as good. I personally would love Silva but as Valencia is almost a guareentee I can't see it happeneing, plus all his talk about staying in spain. ------------------- @NicholasDiMaria
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Jess C Red Devil circa 1997 s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1710 since: May 2004	Jun 17, 09 at 2:31pm ^ re: Manchester United
	quote Validation A video can make anyone look good, if I wanted to I could go in the garden and do some skills and then have my brother cut it to make it look like I'm amazing. I think our scouts have been looking at a lot more than just YouTube highlights. If it takes £18m to but out the contract of a young talent then so be it. If Ferguson thinks it's worth it then it must be. ------------------- Young, black, handsome, just a touch of pretention...
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Cashis @Haslandboi CruisiN' since: Feb 2007	Jun 17, 09 at 2:32pm ^ re: Manchester United
	quote Jess C quote Validation A video can make anyone look good, if I wanted to I could go in the garden and do some skills and then have my brother cut it to make it look like I'm amazing. I think our scouts have been looking at a lot more than just YouTube highlights. If it takes £18m to but out the contract of a young talent then so be it. If Ferguson thinks it's worth it then it must be. Why must it be? ------------------- #pqte
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Validation On loan to LG2 11/12 True Addiction since: Mar 2007	Jun 17, 09 at 2:37pm ^ re: Manchester United
	If Fergie says so Cashis, then it must be. Just because Fergie says it or makes a bid like that doesn't mean that he is right, he might end up like Sonny Pike, just more dramatically and costly. And why would they waste £18million on an untested Brazilian youngster when they probably can get a much more accomplished player for that price. -------------------
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Jess C Red Devil circa 1997 s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1710 since: May 2004	Jun 17, 09 at 3:13pm ^ re: Manchester United
	I see, clearly Alex Ferguson's 23 years in charge of Manchester United have given him no experience in assessing talent. If he says 'this young player is worth it for £18m' I'd sooner trust him than you. ------------------- Young, black, handsome, just a touch of pretention...
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Validation On loan to LG2 11/12 True Addiction since: Mar 2007	Jun 17, 09 at 3:18pm ^ re: Manchester United
	I'd trust Dario Gradi over Alex Ferguson. Just because he's got 23 years of experience at Manchester United doesn't mean it's the be all and end all, he's the manager, not the scout. -------------------
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Jess C Red Devil circa 1997 s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1710 since: May 2004	Jun 17, 09 at 3:21pm ^ re: Manchester United
	quote Validation Just because he's got 23 years of experience at Manchester United doesn't mean it's the be all and end all, he's the manager, not the scout. 23 years of continuous success, cultivating talent and building successful sides. Ask Arsene Wenger to find out how hard it is to do that simultaneously. Yes, it does. ------------------- Young, black, handsome, just a touch of pretention...
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Validation On loan to LG2 11/12 True Addiction since: Mar 2007	Jun 17, 09 at 3:26pm ^ re: Manchester United
	23 years of continuous success? Well that's bullshit straight from the 'ockey. Was nearly sacked in the first season, hardly success. Yes, he is one of the best managers in the game but just because he says so and so is worth £18million, doesn't mean it's true. -------------------
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Cashis @Haslandboi CruisiN' since: Feb 2007	Jun 17, 09 at 3:27pm ^ re: Manchester United
	quote Jess C I see, clearly Alex Ferguson's 23 years in charge of Manchester United have given him no experience in assessing talent. If he says 'this young player is worth it for £18m' I'd sooner trust him than you. I wasn't debating whether we knew more than him in terms of players transfer fees, I'm just saying why do you think that the player must be good and worth that amount of money, just because Fergie says so? Has he never got a transfer wrong, then? ------------------- #pqte
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Jess C Red Devil circa 1997 s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1710 since: May 2004	Jun 17, 09 at 4:04pm ^ re: Manchester United
	quote Validation 23 years of continuous success? Well that's bullshit straight from the 'ockey. Was nearly sacked in the first season, hardly success. Yes, he is one of the best managers in the game but just because he says so and so is worth £18million, doesn't mean it's true. First of all you're picking out half a season, two and a half if we're counting down to his first trophy, which is a pretty insignificant number out of 23 years. I guess I could say nearly 23 years or 21 years but then this would get rather pedantic. Secondly Ferguson has an excellent track record of developing talent and I don't believe for a second that he would spend £18m on a player unless he felt the sum was worth it. I trust him completely in that respect. quote Cashis I wasn't debating whether we knew more than him in terms of players transfer fees, I'm just saying why do you think that the player must be good and worth that amount of money, just because Fergie says so? Has he never got a transfer wrong, then? Transfer fees no. No player at that age has been worth that sum since Ronaldo in the mid ninetees, but if Alex Ferguson thinks that a player is right for the club then, as everyone knows, money is no object. If he thinks it's worth spending £18m on a young talent who'll turn into a world class player then chances are he's right. ------------------- Young, black, handsome, just a touch of pretention...
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