I guess I can't win here. I think Sophia is much better than Ray, once you train her up.

She's only good when she's level 15 Shaman, the other times it's really hard and a chore.

When she's promoted and beyond, she is just excellent and possibly one of my best units.

Anyway...
Best Troubadour/Valkyrie:

Clarine. No debate here, either. >.>

@ Reikken

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Ellen > Saul

Joining time, supports, and luck makes for a pretty big advantage...


a comparison I maed:

17 Lugh, Thunder, B Ellen
18.4 atk, 14.0 AS, 121.0 hit, 21.3 crit - - 24.0 hp, 5.4 def, 9.8 res, 43.6 avo, 15.6 critavo
B Ellen, B Chad
19.4 atk, 14.0 AS, 126.0 hit, 31.3 crit - - 24.0 hp, 6.4 def, 10.8 res, 53.6 avo, 20.6 critavo

20/1 Saul, Lightning, B Ellen
19.0 atk, 18.7 AS, 118.3 hit, 12.6 crit - - 32.0 hp, 7.2 def, 16.5 res, 46.6 avo, 14.2 critavo

20/4 Ellen, Lightning, B Lugh, B Saul
22.5 atk, 14.2 AS, 136.7 hit, 22.4 crit - - 28.5 hp, 4.0 def, 22.6 res, 61.1 avo, 37.7 critavo

18/1 Clarine, Fire, A Rutger, B Deak
15.1 atk, 19.4 AS, 133.9 hit, 31.6 crit - - 25.8 hp, 8.7 def, 17.8 res, 82.9 avo, 44.1 critavo



20/1 Lugh, Elfire, A Ellen,
26.6 atk, 16.5 AS, 128.6 hit, 23.0 crit - - 29.5 hp, 7.8 def, 12.7 res, 51.7 avo, 18.7 critavo
A Ellen, B Chad
27.6 atk, 16.5 AS, 133.6 hit, 33.0 crit - - 29.5 hp, 8.8 def, 13.7 res, 61.7 avo, 23.7 critavo

20/5 Saul, Divine, A Ellen
23.6 atk, 20.5 AS, 117.2 hit, 15.5 crit - - 34.4 hp, 7.8 def, 18.5 res, 52.8 avo, 19.8 critavo

20/8 Ellen, Divine, A Lugh, B Saul
28.5 atk, 15.0 AS, 135.5 hit, 28.0 crit - - 30.3 hp, 4.2 def, 25.0 res, 67.5 avo, 42.5 critavo

20/3 Clarine, Fire, A Rutger, B Deak
16.3 atk, 21.2 AS, 138.3 hit, 32.5 crit - - 27.4 hp, 9.1 def, 19.4 res, 89.0 avo, 46.6 critavo



20/10 Lugh, Elfire, A Ellen
30.2 atk, 20.9 AS, 139.2 hit, 25.3 crit - - 34.0 hp, 9.2 def, 15.4 res, 63.6 avo, 21.8 critavo
A Ellen, B Chad
31.2 atk, 20.9 AS, 144.2 hit, 35.3 crit - - 34.0 hp, 10.2 def, 16.4 res, 73.6 avo, 26.8 critavo

20/15 Saul, Divine, A Ellen
27.6 atk, 24.0 AS, 126.9 hit, 17.8 crit - - 40.4 hp, 9.3 def, 23.5 res, 61.3 avo, 21.3 critavo

20/17 Ellen, Divine, A Lugh, B Saul
33.0 atk, 16.8 AS, 142.9 hit, 29.4 crit - - 34.3 hp, 4.7 def, 29.5 res, 75.2 avo, 46.6 critavo

20/14 Clarine, Elfire, A Rutger, B Deak
22.6 atk, 24.6 AS, 135.1 hit, 34.6 crit - - 31.8 hp, 10.2 def, 23.8 res, 102.4 avo, 53.2 critavo


Ellen has a pretty substantial avoid lead as well as lead in res and critavo to Saul's leads in hp and def, which may or may not let him take an extra hit, so she's more durable overall. For offense, Saul has higher spd and doubles everything, and Ellen has higher atk and kills more often when she doubles. Tough call.

Ellen wins defense, idunnolol for offense, and Ellen has the early chapters as your only staff user, making her more useful, and a higher staff level after that, and she has higher mag for better use of staves. So she's better.

hmmm...

well, first off, a 3 level lead is a bit much. A level a chapter for 4 chapters makes Ellen 6 to Saul's 5. Her D becomes a C by that time, so they have the same stave level with Ellen having a few points in C by ch.6.

I'd say the offense is well in Saul's favor, since Ellen's 3-6 ATK lead won't make up for the large doubling gap that increases as time moves on.

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Ellen has the early chapters as your only staff user, making her more useful

It's not a level per chapter. It's at least 1.5 per chapter.

And I would say the offense is in Ellen's favor since Saul doesn't have enough atk to 2-shot anything that's promoted, and Ellen also crits more.

Also, Saul doesn't really have any other supports. If you're not using Ellen, he's got nothing. Ellen, however, has Chad and Miledy if you're not using Saul.

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It's not a level per chapter. It's at least 1.5 per chapter.

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And I would say the offense is in Ellen's favor since Saul doesn't have enough atk to 2-shot anything that's promoted

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and Ellen also crits more.

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Also, Saul doesn't really have any other supports. If you're not using Ellen, he's got nothing. Ellen, however, has Chad and Miledy if you're not using Saul.

The only time there's no one to heal is maybe on the first turn. For ch 2, the first turn sees a heal as well. Nearly every single other turn there will be someone to heal. Even if you're not currently fighting, your units are still damaged from the last enemy group. Only one gets healed at a time, so it takes multiple turns to heal them all.


Ellen does double.


Even when Ellen doesn't double, her crit is still higher. When she does, it's much much higher, though she's probably killing it anyway.


Oh he wasn't, was he? Then he loses 7 avo, 7 crit, 15 critavo (generics can now crit him), 1 atk, and 1 def/res...
Running around with 5 critavo is just asking for death.

No...Saul has better stats than Ellen with the exception of Luck, and it's not that much of a lead.

Ellen is running around with the worst defence and defence growth. Saul is an excellent unit because his defence and HP growth are simply excellent.

Saul can end up with 12 DEF endgame, and what can Ellen have? 5, maybe 6. Saul can reach the 50 HP mark and beyond since his HP growth is 60%. What can Ellen reach? Probably something in the 30's.

Saul has a lot of AVO and is actually a durable unit when you promote him. Beofre that it doesn't matter, since stave users shouldn't be getting attacked.

Even if Saul doesn't have a good support pool, who's going to save Ellen when your other units are somewhere else?

quote Simon the Nekonin

No...Saul has better stats than Ellen with the exception of Luck, and it's not that much of a lead.

Ellen is running around with the worst defence and defence growth. Saul is an excellent unit because his defence and HP growth are simply excellent.

Saul can end up with 12 DEF endgame, and what can Ellen have? 5, maybe 6. Saul can reach the 50 HP mark and beyond since his HP growth is 60%. What can Ellen reach? Probably something in the 30's.

Saul has a lot of AVO and is actually a durable unit when you promote him. Beofre that it doesn't matter, since stave users shouldn't be getting attacked.

Even if Saul doesn't have a good support pool, who's going to save Ellen when your other units are somewhere else?

http://fea.fewiki.net/fea.php?character=ellen&game=6


She barely manages 4 defense and 36 hp. Now considering you don't have 20/20 for the whole game..

What's your point? Okay, she dies in two hits, just like Saul. Only she has much more avoid and doesn't get critted by generic enemies like Saul does. She's much more durable.

SAUL
HP: 43
MAG: 21
SKL: 24
SPE: 25
DEF: 9
RES: 25
LUC: 7

ELLEN
HP: 36
MAG: 22
SKL: 20
SPE: 17
DEF: 4
RES: 30
LUC: 30

Yeah...she's really more durable than Saul. Lol. The only thing she has is the 30 AVO from her luck. Saul has better everything else.

Saul is just a much better unit. His stats are just so much better than hers...

So what she has good luck? Saul just has better stats (except for RES AND MAG, but as it is, he has enough of those).

Saul gets good dodge from his other better exceeding stats, and he's actually quite durable with the much better defence and HP.

quote Reikken

What's your point? Okay, she dies in two hits, just like Saul. Only she has much more avoid and doesn't get critted by generic enemies like Saul does. She's much more durable.

Considering in the beginning most enemies in the beginning have liek 5 skill, they're only getting 1% on Saul. Now, 0% is better, but I'd rather have a priest/cleric with more magic, speed and defense. Res = irrelevent since mages aren't doing jack against them yo.