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Topic: Debate: character comparisons: units from a selected class range, the best candidate for that particular class
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Debate: character comparisons: units from a selected class range, the best candidate for that particular class

The main purpose is to find out who is the better unit out of them all. To prove you point, try showing solid evidence.

FINAL: (units who were decided as the best for their class)
Archer/Sniper: Klein
Mage/Sage: Lugh
Cavalier/Paladin: Allen and Lance
Cleric/Priest/Bishop: Saul
Nomad/Nomadic Trooper: Shin
Knight/General: Bors
Wyvern Knight/Wyvern Lord: Miredy
Shaman/Druid: Ray
Mercenary/Hero:
Myrmidon/Swordmaster: Rutger

TBD = To be decided.

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re: Debate: character comparisons: units from a selected class range, the best candidate for that particular class

Well, Hugh's the worst Sage. Lugh and Lilina are kind of close. Lugh dodges a lot better, but Lilina's more powerful.

I don't use archers...



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re: Debate: character comparisons: units from a selected class range, the best candidate for that particular class

For a good price, Hugh destroys. Everyone.

If you're too cheap and don't wanna afford Hugh's prices, then Lugh is the way to go.

Face it, Lilina comes in 3-4 chapters later, same level. And could be killed by an archer. Lugh actually has decent speed and can double.



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re: Debate: character comparisons: units from a selected class range, the best candidate for that particular class

Lugh >>>>>>

Klein >>>>>>



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re: Debate: character comparisons: units from a selected class range, the best candidate for that particular class

Klein? I have to disagree there, Wolt would be much better.

So, shall we go with Hugh?



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re: Debate: character comparisons: units from a selected class range, the best candidate for that particular class

Hugh comes way too late. By that time I've already promoted Lilina to sage. Besides, Lilina comes free and can support with Roy easily which benefits both parties. Lugh can double faster than Lilina, but does do as much damage.

Never used archers/snipers. I guess I'll go with Klein since his sister kicks tail for me.



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re: Debate: character comparisons: units from a selected class range, the best candidate for that particular class

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Klein? I have to disagree there, Wolt would be much better.
Nu-uh. You didn't provide any backup.

Klein can support with PERCIVAL (aka best paladin and super best paladin in hard mode). Klein gets hard mode bonuses, and Klein comes promoted with a silver bow. A freaking silver bow. Which is better than an iron bow or steel bow. It is. Klein can also stand up to mages and not die in 3 or so hits from them.



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re: Debate: character comparisons: units from a selected class range, the best candidate for that particular class

Klein
Stat Growth: HP 60% Str 35% Skl 40% Spd 45% Lck 50% Def 15% Res 25%

Wolt
Stat Growth: HP 80% Str 40% Skl 50% Spd 40% Lck 60% Def 25% Res 30%

Pwn't.

With much better growths like that...it's hard to say that Klein is better.

In this game, when units promote, usually they go straight to S...Wolt would just be so much better. There is no denying it. I mean usually the people on my team who focus on one weapon rank can go to S after promotion.



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re: Debate: character comparisons: units from a selected class range, the best candidate for that particular class

Let's move on, Any objections can still be made.

Cavalier/Paladin:
Priest/Cleric/Bishop:



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re: Debate: character comparisons: units from a selected class range, the best candidate for that particular class

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Klein
Stat Growth: HP 60% Str 35% Skl 40% Spd 45% Lck 50% Def 15% Res 25%

Wolt
Stat Growth: HP 80% Str 40% Skl 50% Spd 40% Lck 60% Def 25% Res 30%

Pwn't.

With much better growths like that...it's hard to say that Klein is better.

In this game, when units promote, usually they go straight to S...Wolt would just be so much better. There is no denying it. I mean usually the people on my team who focus on one weapon rank can go to S after promotion.
Yar har. By that logic, Karel & Fa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Klein has HM bonuses, joins with a Silver Bow(IIRC), supports with Clarine, Dieck, Percival AND Tate, all the best characters of their class.

Wolt gets no HM bonuses, and stuck in the crappiest unpromoted class until he promotes. Supports? Let's list them down:

Roy - Prefers Allen and Lance
Marcus - You're wasting supports on him.
Allen - Prefers Roy and Lance
Lance - Prefers Roy and Allen
Sue - Sucks.

Wolt's supports generally suck because AllenxLancexRoy is the best support triangle ingame. Undeniable.

DieckxClarinex(Rutger OR Klein) is debatable as both units are excellent. That, and his other two choices as support partners don't suck as much as Marcus or Sue.

Klein >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wolt.

I still stand by Lugh >>>>>>>> Hugh. Lugh arrives early and doesn't eat up 10,000G. By the time Hugh joins, Lugh is promoted and can use Aircalibur. Hugh's just not worth the time and money when Lugh is ready to kick Wyvern ass.

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Cavalier/Paladin : Allen and Lance combo for first place.
Priest/Cleric/Bishop : Saul



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re: Debate: character comparisons: units from a selected class range, the best candidate for that particular class

Agreed.

Lets go with this list and debate from it. Its GM's post from another thread in this forum.

Cavalier/Paladin - Alan, Lance, and Percival. (Paladins are awesome in this game)
Knight/General - Bors.
Archer/Sniper - Klein.
Mercenary/Hero - Dieck.
Fighter/Warrior - Lot.
Pirate/Brigand/Berserker - Gonzales.
Myrmidon/Swordmaster - Rutger.
Thief - Chad.
Peg Knight/Falcoknight - Tate.
Wyvern Knight/Wyvern Lord - Miledy.
Mage/Sage - Lugh.
Troubadour/Valkyrie - Clarine.
Priest/Cleric/Bishop - Saul.
Shaman/Druid - Ray.

The only thing that I find debatable is swordmaster. However, I think Rutger has better supports than Fir. Both still rock!



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re: Debate: character comparisons: units from a selected class range, the best candidate for that particular class

Nope, we debate every position.

And what exactly to HM bonuses do anyway...Do they increase his stats by that much? You have already seen the difference...and supports don't exactly dominate the game...and I could easily give the silver bow to Wolt.

Agreed for Saul and Lugh, unless any objections.

Also I was thinking we could try and see what Trek and Noah are capable of...and if Allan and Lance are completely equal.



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re: Debate: character comparisons: units from a selected class range, the best candidate for that particular class

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Nope, we debate every position.

And what exactly to HM bonuses do anyway...Do they increase his stats by that much? You have already seen the difference...and supports don't exactly dominate the game...and I could easily give the silver bow to Wolt.

Agreed for Saul and Lugh, unless any objections.

Also I was thinking we could try and see what Trek and Noah are capable of...and if Allan and Lance are completely equal.

Klein starts as an enemy. Enemies in this game have higher stats than normal.

Supports = very useful.

1. Favoritism. Taking an item from someone who starts with it. >.>
2. Wolt doesn't start off with A in bows. He's probably around level 11 by then with B.



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re: Debate: character comparisons: units from a selected class range, the best candidate for that particular class

quote Simon the Nekonin
Nope, we debate every position.

And what exactly to HM bonuses do anyway...Do they increase his stats by that much? You have already seen the difference...and supports don't exactly dominate the game...and I could easily give the silver bow to Wolt.
HM bonuses: Class growths x (5+ levels)

Since Klein arrives in the midgame, he gets 8 extra level ups which are pretty significant, like +2 to 3 in every stat besides HP.

If supports don't dominate the game, Serra >>>>>>>>>>>> Priscilla.

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Also I was thinking we could try and see what Trek and Noah are capable of...and if Allan and Lance are completely equal.
Allen and Lance are arguably equal but they rock much harder than other Paladins for their awesome support together which takes little time and can start from the Prologue.



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re: Debate: character comparisons: units from a selected class range, the best candidate for that particular class

No. The moment Wolt promotes, he has a B in bows.



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