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SuperGalaxyMan no-stoppin-me-now total posts: 250 since: Aug 2006	Jan 17, 07 at 11:19pm ^ re: Is Mario a dying franchise?
	Log in to remove this sponsored message quote canderson When Mario dies, all videogaming will die. Enough Said. True, but Video games are going to be gone in about 20 years anyway, with graphics improving so rapidly, people will get bored, but I have faith that Nintendo can once again save video games...again.
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Ville_Valo Welcome to the Blood Machine Permanently Plugged In since: Dec 2005	Jan 18, 07 at 4:52am ^ re: Is Mario a dying franchise?
	quote TheMyth17 But there are a ton of differences between SM64 and the original Super Mario Bros. on the NES. They made many (admittedly necessary) changes to the franchise to make the transition from 2D to 3D. Yeah but they were all normal and good changes. I mean, they 3D'd the enemies and pickups, it was just the same game, modified to fit into 3D as good as it could. An unneccessary inclusion would be the Water Cannon thing in Sunshine. It might've been good, never played it, but that was an inclusion that was strange and new. SM64 was just about making it work good in 3D quote SuperGalaxyMan quote canderson When Mario dies, all videogaming will die. Enough Said. True, but Video games are going to be gone in about 20 years anyway, with graphics improving so rapidly, people will get bored, but I have faith that Nintendo can once again save video games...again. No. That is NOT true. Why is it true? The only Mario titles we get are crappy sports titles, and a bunch of old style remakes that don't live up to anything older than SM64. Nintendo can't do shit. All Nintendo can do is remake old names into new games to try and hook old fans. Or do you mean that the industry will die with Mario because it is so old and significant? What about Pong? Space Invaders? They are well and truly gone, yet they are literally the games that started video games for the entire world. Did the industry die with them? No, it moved on. Sure, people will get bored of ultra real graphics, but people will get bored of Mario cartoon graphics even sooner! Kthx. ------------------- TES: Skyrim \|\| PM \|\| General PS Vita \|\| GB \|\| Playstation 3
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SuperGalaxyMan no-stoppin-me-now total posts: 250 since: Aug 2006	Jan 18, 07 at 6:48pm ^ re: Is Mario a dying franchise?
	quote Ville_Valo quote TheMyth17 But there are a ton of differences between SM64 and the original Super Mario Bros. on the NES. They made many (admittedly necessary) changes to the franchise to make the transition from 2D to 3D. Yeah but they were all normal and good changes. I mean, they 3D'd the enemies and pickups, it was just the same game, modified to fit into 3D as good as it could. An unneccessary inclusion would be the Water Cannon thing in Sunshine. It might've been good, never played it, but that was an inclusion that was strange and new. SM64 was just about making it work good in 3D quote SuperGalaxyMan quote canderson When Mario dies, all videogaming will die. Enough Said. True, but Video games are going to be gone in about 20 years anyway, with graphics improving so rapidly, people will get bored, but I have faith that Nintendo can once again save video games...again. No. That is NOT true. Why is it true? The only Mario titles we get are crappy sports titles, and a bunch of old style remakes that don't live up to anything older than SM64. Nintendo can't do shit. All Nintendo can do is remake old names into new games to try and hook old fans. Or do you mean that the industry will die with Mario because it is so old and significant? What about Pong? Space Invaders? They are well and truly gone, yet they are literally the games that started video games for the entire world. Did the industry die with them? No, it moved on. Sure, people will get bored of ultra real graphics, but people will get bored of Mario cartoon graphics even sooner! Kthx. You wouldn't be playing a PS3 right now if it weren't for Nintendo, and that is a fact...the NES kickstarted the video game industry after it was thought dead, no not because of Mario, but because it was fun...and I think that is being taken out of the recent video games (with a few exceptions) and people, especially Sony fanboys, will get bored when the graphics can improve any more, and Nintendo, with their creative minds, will have to save it again...Sony offers nothing more than pretty games...and people will get bored of that. And if you knew what you were talking about you would know Sunshine is a lot more different than 64...also, have you even ever played Twilight Princess, is that shit? It beats that demo of Motorstorm you have in your Blue-Ray player anyday.
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Ville_Valo Welcome to the Blood Machine Permanently Plugged In since: Dec 2005	Jan 19, 07 at 3:54am ^ re: Is Mario a dying franchise?
	Admitted, I don't have a next gen console, and haven't played Mario Sunshine. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was the 360 that offered nothing more than pretty games, and the Ps3 that does that PLUS a blu-ray player, sexy processor, and motion sensitivity... Yeah, Nintendo kickstarted the industry, but Sony have been making better consoles since their very first. Undebatable. Once again, games don't reflect how good the console is. Yeah, the PS3 had shit all release titles, but that doesn't take away from the actual console! ------------------- TES: Skyrim \|\| PM \|\| General PS Vita \|\| GB \|\| Playstation 3
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SkullKidKazooie member: postin' posse total posts: 556 since: Aug 2005	Jan 20, 07 at 2:37pm ^ re: Is Mario a dying franchise?
	In response to the first post: no. ------------------- Dragon Quest + Nintendo = <3
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SuperGalaxyMan no-stoppin-me-now total posts: 250 since: Aug 2006	Jan 20, 07 at 8:53pm ^ re: Is Mario a dying franchise?
	quote Ville_Valo Admitted, I don't have a next gen console, and haven't played Mario Sunshine. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was the 360 that offered nothing more than pretty games, and the Ps3 that does that PLUS a blu-ray player, sexy processor, and motion sensitivity... Yeah, Nintendo kickstarted the industry, but Sony have been making better consoles since their very first. Undebatable. Once again, games don't reflect how good the console is. Yeah, the PS3 had shit all release titles, but that doesn't take away from the actual console! Oy...the 64 beats the original Playstation anyday...and does the PSP have online play? No. Almost any game you can get on the Playstation you can get on the Xbox. Except on Nintendo, you get a whole bunch of original characters...motion sensitivity? Sony stole the analog stick from Nintendo as well as the rumble pack, so Sony isn't very creative...Sega and Nintendo are the only true original video game creators, and Sega is out of the race by far.
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Insanity Prevails Knight (moderator) (neocrs) NEOCRS Staff Site/Forums Help and QA total posts: 21598 neopoints: 15760 GameGrep pts: 644 since: Feb 2003	Jan 20, 07 at 9:26pm ^ re: Is Mario a dying franchise?
	Why has this turned into a console debate? And more stealing accusations? Nintendo were the first to implement analogue control in a home system as standard, but they were not the first to use analogue control. With the advent of 3D gaming analogue control would have come regardless. Back to the original point, I say no. True that the Gamecube didn't really offer many classic Mario titles. Actually, only Paper Mario: TTYD really did the license enough justice imo. Sunshine tried to tack on the waterpack and did the horrible blue coin hunt thing. Luigi's Mansion was interesting but short lived and nothing a flagship Mario game should have been. Double Dash was far too reliant on weapons that the sense of actual racing was lost. Tennis tacked on the power moves, which more got in the way than anything. The Party games were the expected rehash parade. ._. The DS has proven different though. So far I've played 3 Mario games on the DS. SM64DS, while a remake of an existing game, was different enough to warrant the purchase and excellent fun. Mario Kart DS had proper focus on actual racing and some really well designed tracks. Yoshi's Island DS (it's still in the Mario universe) has excellent level design and controls and ideas. The GCN Mario games might have flopped in almost all cases (well, flopped depends on your view) but I don't think a death for Mario is around the corner just yet. The DS games show that the plumber still has the magic in him to be part of the great games. Nintendo need to pay attention to that and work hard to retain the core elements that make Mario games great without resorting to tacking on completely foreign elements in an attempt to be "different". ------------------- Fire Emblem Awakening - You Want It.
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Dio Former Neo-Celebrity Neo or Bust since: Jan 2006	Jan 21, 07 at 12:32am ^ re: Is Mario a dying franchise?
	Just look at New Super Mario Bros. for the DS. It's already sold more copies then any other stand-alone DS title, ever. Currently, it has sold over 7 million copies and it's only been out for eight months. Mario is nowhere near a "dying franchise." ------------------- Hypnotoad commands you to visit the: Nintendo Wii U \| LoZ: A Link to the Past 3DS forums!
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Ville_Valo Welcome to the Blood Machine Permanently Plugged In since: Dec 2005	Jan 21, 07 at 3:10am ^ re: Is Mario a dying franchise?
	quote SuperGalaxyMan Oy...the 64 beats the original Playstation anyday...and does the PSP have online play? No. Almost any game you can get on the Playstation you can get on the Xbox. Except on Nintendo, you get a whole bunch of original characters...motion sensitivity? Sony stole the analog stick from Nintendo as well as the rumble pack, so Sony isn't very creative...Sega and Nintendo are the only true original video game creators, and Sega is out of the race by far. Ok, you are just wrong. Firstly, the PSP DOES have online play. Idiot. The N64 was weaker than the PS1, and capable of playing 64mb games, compared to the PS1's 700mb discs. There is nothing about the N64 that is better than the Ps1. Playstation has just as many original titles as Xbox...The reason Nintendo has different games is because they make different, weaker systems with less capacity discs, and turn out a bunch of cartoony Mario titles and other trademark Nintendo characters. Sony stole the analogue stick and rumble pack? Who cares. Xbox did it too, you aren't angry at them are you? Nintendo pioneered it, now everyone else is using it too, and using it better. Sony isn't creative? Well...I'm not even gunna start on that. Matter of opinion. quote twilightprince Just look at New Super Mario Bros. for the DS. It's already sold more copies then any other stand-alone DS title, ever. Currently, it has sold over 7 million copies and it's only been out for eight months. Mario is nowhere near a "dying franchise." Ya know why it's sold so well? Because it's the same as the old Mario games. It's just a remake! New Mario games don't do nearly as good. It's still dying, it's just that people still like playing the old versions that were actually any good, because the new ones aren't. ------------------- TES: Skyrim \|\| PM \|\| General PS Vita \|\| GB \|\| Playstation 3
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Gogetenks Fact-checking for a mental condition Seeketh Maximus total posts: 5606 GameGrep pts: 836 since: May 2004	Jan 21, 07 at 4:07am ^ re: Is Mario a dying franchise?
	quote Ville_Valo The N64 was weaker than the PS1, and capable of playing 64mb games, compared to the PS1's 700mb discs. There is nothing about the N64 that is better than the Ps1. Wow...N64 cartridges could load much faster and, with proper compression, games could be enormous. Ocarina of Time is very long and the whole world is massive(this is coming from a guy who prefers the PS1, by the way). 700MB was more of a novelty then a real use at that time, really. The N64 was also more powerful than the PS1 and could handle all these new functions. The PS1 is better than the N64 in disks, that's all. However, those disks made everything easier for developers, which is why I prefer the PS1 over N64. Third party support. Other than that, the N64 was the better console. quote Ville_Valo quote twilightprince Just look at New Super Mario Bros. for the DS. It's already sold more copies then any other stand-alone DS title, ever. Currently, it has sold over 7 million copies and it's only been out for eight months. Mario is nowhere near a "dying franchise." Ya know why it's sold so well? Because it's the same as the old Mario games. It's just a remake! New Mario games don't do nearly as good. It's still dying, it's just that people still like playing the old versions that were actually any good, because the new ones aren't. It's not a remake, it's a totally new game with totally new levels. From the real Mario games(not spinoffs, the ones that are a major part of the actual franchise), Sunshine sold very well and it was really the only Mario game that wasn't quite up to standard(still a fun game, though). Super Mario 64 had the highest attach rate ever for any launch title(Twilight Princess holds second) in the last 3 generations(possibly earlier, but I don't know) and was a huge critical success. Those were the only two actual Mario games in the last two generations and only one wasn't incredible(still good, but not incredible). The DS titles did great. SM64DS did great and NSMB was a superb new installment to the franchise that was one of the best games of 2006 and (by many websites) was best handheld game of the year. The franchise is far from dead. The press absolutely LOVED Galaxy at E3.
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Ville_Valo Welcome to the Blood Machine Permanently Plugged In since: Dec 2005	Jan 21, 07 at 4:36am ^ re: Is Mario a dying franchise?
	quote Gogetenks Wow...N64 cartridges could load much faster and, with proper compression, games could be enormous. Ocarina of Time is very long and the whole world is massive(this is coming from a guy who prefers the PS1, by the way). 700MB was more of a novelty then a real use at that time, really. The N64 was also more powerful than the PS1 and could handle all these new functions. The PS1 is better than the N64 in disks, that's all. However, those disks made everything easier for developers, which is why I prefer the PS1 over N64. Third party support. Other than that, the N64 was the better console. If it was more powerful, and the cartridge space wasn't a problem, then how come the N64 never had a game that was reomtely realistic? Driver, Gran Turismo... quote Gogetenks Those were the only two actual Mario games in the last two generations and only one wasn't incredible(still good, but not incredible). The DS titles did great. SM64DS did great and NSMB was a superb new installment to the franchise that was one of the best games of 2006 and (by many websites) was best handheld game of the year. The franchise is far from dead. The press absolutely LOVED Galaxy at E3. SM64DS WAS a remake. With a little bit of new stuff. That's all. A remake of the best selling game for N64. Of course it did well... Nintendo forgot how to make good new games. Aside from those two games, one being a complete remake, the only reason Mario isn't dying is because of the spinoffs. There are sooo many. Microsoft and Sony don't do that ------------------- TES: Skyrim \|\| PM \|\| General PS Vita \|\| GB \|\| Playstation 3
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GameFreak101 This calls for a sexy party!!! Resident Neo total posts: 2675 GameGrep pts: 375 since: Jan 2003	Jan 21, 07 at 4:45am ^ re: Is Mario a dying franchise?
	Microsoft and Sony don't make spinoffs?........ Nintendo 64 has never made a realistic game? Ok, you have the right to your own opinion, but please, at least try to stop with your exaggerations. I won't bother with examples because there are just too many. -------------------
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Ville_Valo Welcome to the Blood Machine Permanently Plugged In since: Dec 2005	Jan 21, 07 at 4:54am ^ re: Is Mario a dying franchise?
	quote gamefreak101 Microsoft and Sony don't make spinoffs?........ Nintendo 64 has never made a realistic game? Ok, you have the right to your own opinion, but please, at least try to stop with your exaggerations. I won't bother with examples because there are just too many. Nintendo 64 stayed the hell away from the big realistic titles on the Playstation, because it couldn't compete in all the things required; power and disc space. Microsoft and Sony make spinoffs, but the Mario title alone has over 200 games (I've said this too many times in this thread). No other company is that annoying. I didn't mean to exaggerate. My apologies. ------------------- TES: Skyrim \|\| PM \|\| General PS Vita \|\| GB \|\| Playstation 3
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Dio Former Neo-Celebrity Neo or Bust since: Jan 2006	Jan 21, 07 at 5:15am ^ re: Is Mario a dying franchise?
	quote Ville_Valo Ya know why it's sold so well? Because it's the same as the old Mario games. It's just a remake! Haha. You couldn't be more wrong dude. NSMB is a totally new game -- with new worlds, levels, characters, powerups, moves, music, bosses, etc. In no way is the game a "remake" of any sort. quote Nintendo 64 stayed the hell away from the big realistic titles on the Playstation Please define "big realistic titles" for me. And by the way, no game on the PS1 will ever touch Goldeneye 007 (possibly the best FPS ever made, 9.7 from IGN), Perfect Dark (9.8 from IGN), Conker's Bad Fur Day (9.9 from IGN), Zelda: Ocarina of Time (10/10 from IGN), and Zelda: Majora's Mask (9.9 from IGN) [color=#666666]This message was edited by twilightprince on Jan 20 2007. ------------------- Hypnotoad commands you to visit the: Nintendo Wii U \| LoZ: A Link to the Past 3DS forums!
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Ville_Valo Welcome to the Blood Machine Permanently Plugged In since: Dec 2005	Jan 21, 07 at 5:28am ^ re: Is Mario a dying franchise?
	I mean Driver, and I mean Gran Turismo, and I mean Need for Speed... True. Perfect Dark and Goldeneye were mighty good. ------------------- TES: Skyrim \|\| PM \|\| General PS Vita \|\| GB \|\| Playstation 3
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