quote ShadowGuard

go to the FFVII and see which game is compared to it the most. Even has a 20+page thread just for it FFVII vs FFX.

quote ShadowGuard

You may think shadowhearts 1 & 2 are better than FFX. But majority are on FFX's and sales alone will tell you that,

quote ShadowGuard

the list of the games you listed was your opinion. while mine is opinion, the majority agrees with me.

Hahaha, did I ever said that XII owns X in my honest opinion
If not, it's recorded now.

quote neto_360

You haven't seen the FFVII vs FFVIII threads then

quote neto_360

I would say it has more to do with it being Final Fantasy than Final Fantasy X.

quote neto_360

If they are opinions, why are you trying to argue that FFX is better? How do you know that the majority agree with you? And how does that make you right when not everything thinks the same?

quote neto_360

As far as the scores go, 77% isn't the best score in the world, but it won't stop me from getting the game if I really want it. Just because another game gets a 10/10 doesn't mean I will go out and get it instead.

No, the hype from the title lasts far longer than just a week. The title can account for a lot of the initial sales, but adding on the FF name also makes people look at the games differently. As a result, they give it better scores than it may deserve, and then they go recommend it to others or give it unnecessarily good ratings. A perfect example is FFXII.

Also, FFVIII and FFVI are actually the games which are most hotly debated with FFVII because they were probably the two games that really are arguably better in terms of story, characters, and gameplay. FFIX is also up there, but not in the same sense as the other two. There's a simple reason, and it all comes down to the fact that graphics play a very small part in the grading people give each of those games which allows them to be judged on a relatively even plane.

And yes, FFX is a completely average FF game. Like I said, it's slightly above average as far as the numbered games go (I'd say probably 5th out of 12) and about the same overall if you include the non-numbered games as well. That's not even really my opinion, as pretty much anyone who's actually played all of the FF games will wholeheartedly agree.

The only numbered games I have yet to play are III and IV. FFX was actually my first, so I got FFVII, VIII, and IX right after. Then got Anthology, followed by the ports I and II.

My list:
FFX
FFVII (FFVII would probably be first if they remake it)
FFVI
FFVIII
FFV
FFXII
FFIX
FFI and II are really the same to me.

quote Moonrise

That's not even really my opinion, as pretty much anyone who's actually played all of the FF games will wholeheartedly agree.

Guys how about we all STOP comparing what FF you all think is better. We ALL have opinions, we all like different things. I'm sure some of you like Sports games, personally I hate it. It's all a matter of taste, and every game in every genre is also a matter of taste.

Initially I was quite enjoying this discussion (I wont call it an argument, because I know most of you in this thread... Roz, SNaP... but it seems to have gotten to the point where your just comparing which FF is the better title. As great as that will be, you will NEVER agree. I myself prefer FFVIII to FFVII, and I know how many people think the world of FFVII. However I don't think they're wrong, its all to do with tastes.

With that said, lets move back onto the two topics up for discussion in this thread - the fact that the FFvsXIII team is helping out the FFXIII team, and the fact that the XBOX360 (arguably) is building up it's own list of Exclusive RPG's and how well they're doing.

For the second part of the above, I'll try to find that Blue Dragon Article at home and link you all to it, but from what I remember from when I wrote it, the game was generally disliked. Maybe they've changed it since then (the article was from 07) for the US release but as far as I know the Japanese market which are the main RPG markets did not like it. So saying that it sold the most out of other RPG's in Japan, in my opinion means that the other RPG's did just as poorly.

And I'm also certain that MGS4 has been quite a system seller, and a huge hit, however I haven't seen many if any articles relating to number of PS3's sold due to it. I also know of quite a few UKers waiting for Dualshock 3 to be released before they get a PS3 (Xenctuary)

http://kotaku.com/5020098/hirai-mgs-4-moved-eight-times-more-ps3s-in-release-week

Here you go Krunal.

Wow gonzab, that was actually more than I thought.

Krunal, Dualshock 3 is the controller with rumble correct? I dont really see why someone would wait for that, does it really make that much of a difference in gameplay? I never had the rumble effect on, so I dont know.

quote ShadowGuard

Krunal, Dualshock 3 is the controller with rumble correct? I dont really see why someone would wait for that, does it really make that much of a difference in gameplay? I never had the rumble effect on, so I dont know.

quote Krunal

Roz, SNaP... but it seems to have gotten to the point where your just comparing which FF is the better title.

quote Krunal

Also MGS4 in certain areas uses the rumble (not having a rumble controller gives a different cutscene).

quote gonzab

http://kotaku.com/5020098/hirai-mgs-4-moved-eight-times-more-ps3s-in-release-week

Here you go Krunal.

quote Gothic Girl

quote Krunal

Roz, SNaP... but it seems to have gotten to the point where your just comparing which FF is the better title.

Oi. I wasn't comparing FF titles.

Oh I seemed to have missed the bracket there, I meant that I know most of you, with you both as my examples Sorry for mixup... I blame my inability to use NAM at work.

quote Gothic Girl

OMG. You serious? I just got my PS3 and MGS4, but now I'm tempted not to play it until I get a Dualshock. Damn you Sony and your genuis marketing plan!

Firstly you got a PS3 Where's my friend invite Secondly, yeah, I don't want to give you spoilers, but in one scene if you have a Dualshock you get one peace of cutscene, if you don't you get another. It's worth watching both, so I'd recommend you play through anyway. There are just soo many easter eggs in that game that will make you honestly laugh. This Sixaxis/Dualshock Easter-egg is one of them. And trust me, this isn't a game you can finish once, and the cut-scene that you'll miss is like 20 seconds in length, and you can always get it again when you get to that same point after you get a DS3 controller.... Clever marketing strategy indeed, I honestly can't wait to get a DS3 controller now, JUST so I can play that bit with a DS3 controller and see the new cut-scene.... the controllers being released tommorow so Yipee

GG has a PS3 now =]

I need to pick up a Dualshock 3 too, now that Sony have finally gotten round to releasing it in Europe - 'bout time !

But as Krunal said, MGS4 is worth a playthrough even without rumble. Its just that awesome.

quote Gothic Girl

I gotta admit, that makes me a little sad.

Silly, immature Wii gamers

*Goes back to playing SSBB*

I honestly thought GG had already a PS3, srsly. ;_;

Yes but that was in Japan.... MGS4 I'm sure is a bigger game in America/Europe than it is in Japan, much like FF being bigger in Japan than any other region. But tis sad that it got beat in Japan

Then again the figure they quoted for the PS3 seems far too low... though I guess it's just me...

Back on subject. Versus XIII might not be on hold but it sure isn't going anywhere quickly:

quote

Tetsuya Nomura is also rapidly on the development of Final Fantasy XIII Versus, a topic that had already provoked a general cafouillage a few weeks ago. The director of Thursday confides that the team is currently working above is very reduced, for the simple reason that the cinematics team is dedicated primarily to Advent Children Complete and programmers lend a hand to those of FFXIII. No, really, Versus XIII should not arrive for a while... As a consolation, we can expect to have FFXIII faster.