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ShadowGuard To Err is human; to forgive, infrequent s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1566 since: Apr 2006	Jun 24, 08 at 9:08am re: Final Fantasy Versus XIII ISN'T " On-Hold " untill FFXIII is done !
	quote Gothic Girl LAst Remnant Star Ocean 4 Both are timed exclusives, not 360 exclusives. FFXI actually started on the PS2 and PC i think, and the 5th and 6th expansions are for 360. So if you call that an exclusive, be my guest. quote Gothic Girl Too Human Infinite Undiscovery Tales of Vesperia The only good and promising games for the 360. Lost Odyssey got completely mixed results. The Tales series is a very good series, but it never seems to sell on par with other big RPG series, even though they are quality games. -------------------
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pyramidreaper The Game true seeker (2K Remix) since: Jul 2004	Jun 24, 08 at 9:53am re: Final Fantasy Versus XIII ISN'T " On-Hold " untill FFXIII is done !
	quote gonzab quote pyramidreaper quote Fable 2 I confess I didn't quite catch that argument. xD For me Fable is one of the main RPG's on the 360, if not the most important. It's an amazing series. okay, honestly I absolutely hated the first Fable, the gameplay was painfully boring and stupid, the story was plain idiocy, and the whole style of the game was lame. I see no fun in that game. and btw I thought all previous Molineux's games were stupid crap.. sorry but if someone likes playing games like Fable my advice for him is get a life. anyway, some guys here can call Nomura's projects 'boring typical bullshit', well Molineux and Fable can gtfo. Lost Odyssey is not a great game, and all these Mistwalker's games 're pretentious mediocre games, besides somewhat outdated. I can see how these Sakaguchi's projects can appeal to some people, but for me they're of no interest. quote Gothic Girl At the moment, Sakaguchi's RPGs are the best selling 360 games in Japan, and Squeenix probably wouldn't be too happy about their ex-main man doing so well and getting so much praise, while their own games are on a steady decline. I don't quite understand this.. first, I don't think SE wouldn't be able to produce games like Lost Odyssey, if they wanted to.. Sakaguchi 's approach differs from modern SE, that's all. and also, I don't see how their games are on a 'steady decline' and his 're getting so much praise'? where? I mean, if for you guys they're lame, that's fine, go play Mistwalker games. but there're millions of fans enjoying modern SE games, and the sales of SE games 're great, I highly doubt Sakaguchi's are close.
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gonzab true seeker (2K Remix) since: Aug 2004	Jun 24, 08 at 5:06pm re: Final Fantasy Versus XIII ISN'T " On-Hold " untill FFXIII is done !
	quote pyramidreaper quote gonzab quote pyramidreaper quote Fable 2 I confess I didn't quite catch that argument. xD For me Fable is one of the main RPG's on the 360, if not the most important. It's an amazing series. sorry but if someone likes playing games like Fable my advice for him is get a life. I agree! Instead of playing a stupid game that simulates a life people should get their swords and shields, make quests and turning good or evil! Geez man, it's a freaking fantasy game, that's why people play it. Besides, if there's something the game is, is fun. -------------------
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Gothic Girl You're the slum drunk! (moderator) Action and Arcade [PS2] Final Fantasy VII [PSX] RPG [PS3] since: Sep 2003	Jun 24, 08 at 7:56pm re: VersusXIII not on Hold for FFXIII // General On-topic Discussion.
	quote pyramidreaper Lost Odyssey is not a great game, and all these Mistwalker's games 're pretentious mediocre games, besides somewhat outdated. I can see how these Sakaguchi's projects can appeal to some people, but for me they're of no interest. And that's exactly what I'm getting at. Lost Odyssey was basically identical to Final Fantasy. Same storylines, same characterization, same music, same gameplay. There's nothing mediocre about it EXCEPT for the fact that it doesn't have "Final Fantasy" on the box. Because it's not a Final Fantasy, all the reviewers in the world critisize it (and Sakaguchi) for being outdated and old and mediocre. If he were still making Final Fantasy games, everyone would be drooling over it. None of the recent Final Fantasy games have been innovative or revoluationary. Just look at Final Fantasy XII - It didn't have an "Upgrade" with that battle system. Squeenix just switched an outdated battle system with an equally outdated battle system and hoped no-one would notices. Lets face it, FFXII was pretty mediocre for JRPGs standards. Yet everyone acts as if its the messiah of JRPGs just because it was the newest Final Fantasy game. Reviewers seemed to miss the fact that there's a lack of engaging story or characters, the battle system is outdated and re-used, it feels like an MMORPG, etc ... these things don't matter because it's a Final Fantasy game. And no-one dares give a Final Fantasy game a score undeer 10/10. >_> What was the only problem with Lost Odyssey? It's battle system. That was the single grip that reviewers had with it - "It was too outdated". And that seemed to be reason enough for reviewers to lower it's score by a few points. Not one or two, but a few. As for Squeenx's games being in decline ... I was referring to Squeenix's sales. They are losing money each year because people just aren't as interested in FF games anymore. I'll try to find a link for that later. at the moment I'm late for class. XD ------------------- ---> ADD FATAL FRAME IV FORUM! <-- FFIV FORUM Preview
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pyramidreaper The Game true seeker (2K Remix) since: Jul 2004	Jun 25, 08 at 4:40am re: Final Fantasy Versus XIII ISN'T " On-Hold " untill FFXIII is done !
	quote gonzab I agree! Instead of playing a stupid game that simulates a life people should get their swords and shields, make quests and turning good or evil! Geez man, it's a freaking fantasy game, that's why people play it. Besides, if there's something the game is, is fun. I had a friend who was really into PC and Xbox games, I've played Fable and other games, that were his favourite, at his house. that game was a shallow crap to kill time, maybe relax as well , but it wasn't fun. I mentioned getting a life because I don't play games as an escape or time-killing. I play them for fun (I am programming games btw, I work at a games company atm) and games like Fable are no fun. maybe if I was, like, 13, it would be fun though.. and gonzab, my comments aren't directed at anyone in particular, I 'm just trying to describe how I felt about this game . --------------------- quote Lost Odyssey was basically identical to Final Fantasy. Same storylines, same characterization, same music, same gameplay. There's nothing mediocre about it EXCEPT for the fact that it doesn't have "Final Fantasy" on the box. yeah right, Sakaguchi is caught somewhere in time in 1998... quote None of the recent Final Fantasy games have been innovative or revoluationary. Just look at Final Fantasy XII - It didn't have an "Upgrade" with that battle system. Squeenix just switched an outdated battle system with an equally outdated battle system and hoped no-one would notices. okay, in 2003 I would agree with that.. I honestly thought that year 2003 was the end of Square. the FF series went downhill since FF7 (your favourite Sakaguchi was still the director btw..), each FF after FF7 was worse than it's predecessor. well maybe 10 wan't that worse than 9 .. I still don't understand what was the point of releasing 10-2.. I wasn't even waiting for FF 12 back then.. when I bought myself a copy of FF12, I thought it's going to be absolutely lame. however it turned out to be surprisingly cool battles-wise and (unfortunatley) mediocre story-wise. FF12 was a fresh start, it was a good game, and it has a right direction. it is 2008, not 1999, this is evolution of rpgs (console rpgs that is), FF12 has mistakes, but what's important, it has the right direction, unlike old fart's Sakaguchi crap. I really think they should look at recent Tri-Ace games, which were amazing, and learn from them. but anyway, after FF12 I can see FF series actually moving forward. yes, I remember what Sakaguhi 's said a couple of years ago, how he 'sees nothing but flashy graphics' and etc. well, today I'd say, he's an old fart really, and his games are lame crap. I don't need his pretentious storylines and lame battles.. if there would come out a game with a story like Xenogears, and battles like Valkyrie Profile2, I would be actually happy, and I hope SE will someday make such game (I really don't think Sakaguchi will).
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Cruxis Mana » Cruxis (moderator) Final Fantasy XIII [PS3] since: Jan 2007	Jun 25, 08 at 4:50am re: VersusXIII not on Hold for FFXIII // General On-topic Discussion.
	quote Gothic Girl I'll try to find a link for that later. at the moment I'm late for class. XD Tisk Tisk =P -------------------
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Gothic Girl You're the slum drunk! (moderator) Action and Arcade [PS2] Final Fantasy VII [PSX] RPG [PS3] since: Sep 2003	Jun 25, 08 at 5:55am re: Final Fantasy Versus XIII ISN'T " On-Hold " untill FFXIII is done !
	Bah. I posted the article up on Gamegrep about Squeenix's loss of profit over the last few years, but I can't seem to find it. (funny how it works like that). Gamegrep's search feature could use an upgrade. Anyways, from what I can remember, the only peak in Squeenix's sales was FFXII in 2006 but even that didn't compare to the money they used to rake in ten or so years ago. The info would probably be on Wikipedia, but I really can't be bothered looking at every game's sales and comparing it to earlier FF games. (X_X) quote pyramidreaper yeah right, Sakaguchi is caught somewhere in time in 1998... And Squeenix isn't? FFXII's battle system is as old as FFVII's. There's nothing remotely "evolutionary" about that or the game. Squeenix recycle a battle system that is slightly faster than traditional turn-based battles and people seem to believe that Squeenix is being innovative and new-age. They're not. There's only one difference between recent Final Fantasies and classic Final Fantasies - They're missing Sakaguchi's good plot/characterization and Uematsu's fantstic music. You said it youself - FFXII has a mediocre plot. As does every single Final Fantasy released after Sakaguchi left. It's now become a little too obvious that Sakaguchi was the man in charge of keeping the FF series "on the right track", so to speak. Without his direction, Final Fantasy has now become Squeenix's "experimenting ground" (FFVII in particular). They try to be original with things like Crisis Core's DMW or seeing how they fare in other genres, but they are just ideas - Ideas that just don't seem to be as well thought-out as they should be. (Dirge of Cerberus is another example of the bias that appears on review sites. If that game didn't have "Final Fantasy" on the box, reviewers would have had a field day degrading a game with such flawed gameplay, story and even graphics. For a shooter/action game, it was below mediocre. Yet many reviewers praised it up as being "yet another Final Fantasy success". Are they bleeping blind? It barely even constitues as a good shooter, let alone a good game in general). Squeenix aren't the company they used to be. And that's becoming glaringly obvious to fans lately. ------------------- ---> ADD FATAL FRAME IV FORUM! <-- FFIV FORUM Preview
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pyramidreaper The Game true seeker (2K Remix) since: Jul 2004	Jun 25, 08 at 7:32am re: Final Fantasy Versus XIII ISN'T " On-Hold " untill FFXIII is done !
	quote There's only one difference between recent Final Fantasies and classic Final Fantasies - They're missing Sakaguchi's good plot/characterization and Uematsu's fantstic music. for one, Uematsu's music was never that fantastic, Chrono Trigger or Xenogears, or Chrono Cross (and non-Square games) had way better soundtracks. anyway, that's a taste thing. and music doesn't make game great.. as well as stories alone. quote You said it youself - FFXII has a mediocre plot in the end, yeah it was mediocre. it was still a pretty good storyline itself. and what's more important, it was a modern game story, not some crappy respawn of a 1994 story. I simply don't agree about this Sakaguchi and everything about him.. one man doesn't make games today, more so a game like FF.. and I would like to see how great his games would be if he wasn't at Square when FF1 came out.. it's true about all that spin-off crap though. but that's irelevant. SE need money lol don't you think? they will never make their main games great if they won't have enough resources.
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Cruxis Mana » Cruxis (moderator) Final Fantasy XIII [PS3] since: Jan 2007	Jun 25, 08 at 8:52am re: VersusXIII not on Hold for FFXIII // General On-topic Discussion.
	quote Gothic Girl There's only one difference between recent Final Fantasies and classic Final Fantasies - They're missing Sakaguchi's good plot/characterization and Uematsu's fantastic music. I think its hard to judge that solely from one game, a game that wasn't even developed by one of the proper final fantasy teams. To see the real state of Square Enix we need to wait for XIII. Its essentially being made by Sakaguchi' Square Enix team. And whilst I agree with you on the music side of things, again, I think we simply need to wait to XIII, the composer for this game being the same composer who helped Uematsu create the score for FFX, and wrote the Hymn of Faith, which has became the staple theme of FFX. ( I doubt it'll rise up to rival Uematsu' previous works, but it'll still be something to look out for. ) I can definitely see what your saying about Squares poor financial years, but again, its hard to judge years in which Square don't release a major game, such as a main series Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest game. I'm sure this is exactly the same with other major game developers too. ----- IGN just posted this guide of things they would like to see in XIII. I'll post it over in the vanilla forum. -------------------
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Final Blade Stealthomatic!! NeoXtreme total posts: 9567 GameGrep pts: 10790 since: Nov 2006	Jun 26, 08 at 5:28am re: VersusXIII not on Hold for FFXIII // General On-topic Discussion.
	_{Gothic Girl the fact is the Battle system in FF12 was never before used in a FF RPG(offline game) before, its only been use in MMO's which was My and Moonrise problem with it. But again thats a taste factor. To base such statements like Sakaguchi this and that is stupid. One man don't make a Genre, thats like saying Sony playstation creator, is the only one capable to make a new Sony system. Its absurd. I know he's your man due for tastes but you can't say he's the only one capable of making a good RPG's. It wasn't just HIM who helped made those titles, it was EVERYONE on the staff working together. Times are alot different now then it was in the mid 90s. FF10 team is doing the FF13 projects thats at least is great signs that the games will be good. Lost Oddysey was nothing more than a failure so to speak, same was Blue Dragon, sale wise. I mean honestly lets face it, 360 will NEVER have those multi-millions RPG titles, nor will people in japan shell out money to buy the system. People associate Sony systems with RPG's in Japan, thats where the success comes from. As for your link it was actually talking about the Western markets not Global.} ------------------- quote "Wii Music is more than just an incredible clever name, its a whole new way of experiencing music with your Nintendo Wii. And because its on the nintendo Wii you'll buy it. Like the Mindless Brainwashed Lemming you are."
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Gothic Girl You're the slum drunk! (moderator) Action and Arcade [PS2] Final Fantasy VII [PSX] RPG [PS3] since: Sep 2003	Jun 26, 08 at 6:41am re: VersusXIII not on Hold for FFXIII // General On-topic Discussion.
	quote Final Blade Gothic Girl the fact is the Battle system in FF12 was never before used in a FF RPG(offline game) before, its only been use in MMO's which was My and Moonrise problem with it. Actually, the battle system was used in Vagrant Story. A 1999 (sorry, thought it was 1998) Square RPG that is also set in Ivalice. FFXII's battle system is a slight upgade on that, but it's nothing new on Square's part and it certainly isn't original. quote Final Blade One man don't make a Genre Since when? Kojima invented the stealth genre. Shinji Mikami invented the survival horror genre. Sakaguchi is the man behind successful Japanese RPGs. He made Square what it is today. Without Sakaguchi, Japanese RPGs would be VERY different. Without Sakaguchi, Square wouldn't even exist today. quote Final Blade I know he's your man due for tastes but you can't say he's the only one capable of making a good RPG's. It wasn't just HIM who helped made those titles, it was EVERYONE on the staff working together. Where did I say anything about Sakaguchi being "my man" or the only person capable of making good RPGs? But no, Sakaguchi was the main man behind Final Fantasy. He was the creator of the Final Fantasy series, so of course he made them. He directed them, produced them, came up with the stories, and supervised the entire team. Nothing was made without his approval because they were his games. I don't know why people are downplaying the importance of his role in the Final Fantasy series here. Nobody would say that Kojima didn't make the Metal Gear Solid series. His team helped, but in the end Kojima is the brains behind it all. He could easily find another team to do the same jobs, but his team couldn't find another Kojima. quote Final Blade Lost Oddysey was nothing more than a failure so to speak, same was Blue Dragon, sale wise. What? Blue Dragon is the highest selling 360 game in Japan. Lost Odyssey isn't far behind. To say they were failures is an absolute joke. quote Final Blade As for your link it was actually talking about the Western markets not Global. I'm not sure what link you're talking about, but the Western market accounts for the American and PAL regions, which is the majority of Squeenix's sales. This message was edited by Gothic Girl on Jun 26 2008. ------------------- ---> ADD FATAL FRAME IV FORUM! <-- FFIV FORUM Preview
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neto_360 All I need is the air I breathe Neo or Bust total posts: 7527 since: Dec 2005	Jun 26, 08 at 8:45am re: Final Fantasy Versus XIII ISN'T " On-Hold " untill FFXIII is done !
	GG is on fire! I agree with Cruxis Mana. I think we should wait and see how FFXIII comes out. If FFX was considered to be the last good FF Square Enix made, then saying they have gone so far downhill is a bit of an exaggeration basing it on one game. ------------------- Credit to Fire_Fox for the banner FF8 Caption Competition \| FF8 Forum \| FF8 Roleplay
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ShadowGuard To Err is human; to forgive, infrequent s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1566 since: Apr 2006	Jun 26, 08 at 5:48pm re: Final Fantasy Versus XIII ISN'T " On-Hold " untill FFXIII is done !
	quote Gothic Girl quote Final Blade Lost Oddysey was nothing more than a failure so to speak, same was Blue Dragon, sale wise. What? Blue Dragon is the highest selling 360 game in Japan. Lost Odyssey isn't far behind. To say they were failures is an absolute joke. Actually you proved his point more, the only games Japan plays on 360 are the jRPG. But overall, the West (the leading consumer of the 360) loathed or some reason didnt buy these jRPG. I bet every 360 owner in Japan bought these two games, but what are the sales if you take that country out? Mediocre at best. This one man makes a genre is incorrect, Assassin's Creed was a stealth game, it just wasnt to the same degree as MGS4. As far as just FF titles go. Anyone here who says FFX was not a successful storyline should just stop talking. FFX has always been put on par with FFVII. The story was epic. Sakaguchi didnt do that one did he. quote Gothic Girl I'm not sure what link you're talking about, but the Western market accounts for the American and PAL regions, which is the majority of Squeenix's sales. hmmm, yes japanese RPG are directed toward the West and sell the best. Even though the West has a bigger population, video games in japan is like professional sports over here. the ratio of household:game console there is way above it over here. SE directs many games toward Japan (hence the lack of simultaneous releases). the bottomline, you would be surprised how little the difference in sales number. The West does have more, but not by as much as you think. -------------------
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neto_360 All I need is the air I breathe Neo or Bust total posts: 7527 since: Dec 2005	Jun 26, 08 at 6:27pm re: Final Fantasy Versus XIII ISN'T " On-Hold " untill FFXIII is done !
	quote ShadowGuard Anyone here who says FFX was not a successful storyline should just stop talking. FFX has always been put on par with FFVII. The story was epic. But.... it wasn't epic ------------------- Credit to Fire_Fox for the banner FF8 Caption Competition \| FF8 Forum \| FF8 Roleplay
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Moonrise Seeketh Maximus wiki staff megaman since: May 2007	Jun 26, 08 at 6:33pm re: VersusXIII not on Hold for FFXIII // General On-topic Discussion.
	FFX had a (relatively) crappy storyline. People were only drawn in for the graphics and great battle system. The people that "love" that story line are the people that just get obsessed over romance in a game. Also, I fail to see how GG proved his point at all by pointing out how well those games sold in Japan. Also, the west has a massive amount more sales than Japan available. ------------------- Hey, at least I'm honest
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