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seriously u can't hit him, and he does a quick 2-3% at any second at any time along with he slides the farthest with dash shield making him able to grab any character any time he wants.
also boost PWG OOS (increases grab range from shield even further than D3) rapes all spacing attempts on fox
LOL
i understood none of that
LoL I think it's pivot reverse grab OOS but that don't make sense.
Honestly America just needs to copy Japan's tier list.
I'm pretty sure it's just a normal pivot grab, Fox just goes farther than most people because of his speed and such. So the Fox boards were just like "lol heyguiz let's add a W!"
I dunno if Sheik can do it, I've only discussed it with Shisui about Fox =/
Its about taking the playstyle you know best and honing it and making it your own. Then once you feel comfortable and have your strategies and tricks you find out what your lacking and what your weaknesses are then. Then you slowly practice and correct them until they arent there anymore. Then you train more and take what you now and make it in the best you can. You go online and watch more videos and constantly seek to get better. Well thats how I do and I don't fail at this game. Not like ChocoNub.
Planking isnt a neccessity though.
That's true I know a couple of my flaws though just need to stop walk/air dodging into fsmashes especially snakes =/.
@Cloud what's their to be afraid of when you're playing the best character in the game with no bad match ups?
Planking basically eliminates Falco as a character entirely. Hell, if I'm overmatched by playing DEHF, I'll play like Dojo and plank him after I knock off one stock.
Now Falco is useless, because everyone will just counter MK on him, and once they get the lead, plankplankplankplank.
Dojo learned from his past mistake, and simply played smart against DEHF instead of risking his victory in loser's bracket by appealing to a crowd.
All he did was dodge DEHF's lasers, He's not going to take risks like that. Especially when it's 1-1 in loses bracket against probably the best falco out there.
This is nothing to look down on Dojo for. He's playing to win, why would he throw that in danger for honor? lololol.
bullshit sethelons best lol! he beat dojo @ FS6.
Oh look Texas hyping someone from texas what a surprise.
Dojo learned from his past mistake, and simply played smart against DEHF instead of risking his victory in loser's bracket by appealing to a crowd.
All he did was dodge DEHF's lasers, He's not going to take risks like that. Especially when it's 1-1 in loses bracket against probably the best falco out there.
This is nothing to look down on Dojo for. He's playing to win, why would he throw that in danger for honor? lololol.
bullshit sethelons best lol! he beat dojo @ FS6.
Oh look Texas hyping someone from texas what a surprise.
Anyways best falco is SK92.
DEHF is better.
You think so? I saw them both play and was more impressed with SK92.
Dojo learned from his past mistake, and simply played smart against DEHF instead of risking his victory in loser's bracket by appealing to a crowd.
All he did was dodge DEHF's lasers, He's not going to take risks like that. Especially when it's 1-1 in loses bracket against probably the best falco out there.
This is nothing to look down on Dojo for. He's playing to win, why would he throw that in danger for honor? lololol.
bullshit sethelons best lol! he beat dojo @ FS6.
Oh look Texas hyping someone from texas what a surprise.
Anyways best falco is SK92.
DEHF is better.
You think so? I saw them both play and was more impressed with SK92.
xDDDDD texas ALL hype LOLOLOLOLOL who has best sonic espy(TX) this DEHF guy apparently lost to dojo while sethelon beat dojo. and dont get me started on DMG and Razer...
Espy is only the best sonic because Malcolm dropped sonic for Wario.
Razer get's raped. Dojo had to win on time.
@slep you should tell your mom that you have a good shit of winning money which woul be a good way to say up for college. Tell her that you can easily take home 500 backs at each tourney and I'm sure she'll let you go.
xDDDDD texas ALL hype LOLOLOLOLOL who has best sonic espy(TX) this DEHF guy apparently lost to dojo while sethelon beat dojo. and dont get me started on DMG and Razer...
Espy is only the best sonic because Malcolm dropped sonic for Wario.
Razer get's raped. Dojo had to win on time.
@slep you should tell your mom that you have a good shit of winning money which woul be a good way to say up for college. Tell her that you can easily take home 500 backs at each tourney and I'm sure she'll let you go.
lololololololol espy played someone for best sonic he won... and wow Razer gets Raped? razer won FS6 beat Dojo. @dojo did that once so dont make it seem as if thats ALL he does.
Edit: cloud thats who espy played. so sorry AL ur wrong
What does razer place in big tournies? he only rapes Texas.
Ally is now Michigan also because he moved here to be with his girl. He lives in Ann Arbor with SamuraiPanda...he'll be raping our tournaments soon. CANT WAIT to play him XD
have you ever played M2K?
Nope.
Notables I've played thus far:
Lain, Anther, SamuraiPanda, Needles of Juntah, Vayseth, Sumer, OmegaXF, Hot ArmS.
Pretty much all of Michigan's best minus a few.
I dont really like playing online so I never really jumped on the chance to play pros online. Ally is like an hour away from me now so I dont really have to chase him lol I will play Ally soon though
Sumer? Omega XF is a marth main right? best maryh in MI? Your pretty lucky to get all that EXP from such high level players. I haven't played a pro snake there's like no snakes in jersey.
Ally is now Michigan also because he moved here to be with his girl. He lives in Ann Arbor with SamuraiPanda...he'll be raping our tournaments soon. CANT WAIT to play him XD
have you ever played M2K?
Nope.
Notables I've played thus far:
Lain, Anther, SamuraiPanda, Needles of Juntah, Vayseth, Sumer, OmegaXF, Hot ArmS.
Pretty much all of Michigan's best minus a few.
I dont really like playing online so I never really jumped on the chance to play pros online. Ally is like an hour away from me now so I dont really have to chase him lol I will play Ally soon though
Sumer? Omega XF is a marth main right? best maryh in MI? Your pretty lucky to get all that EXP from such high level players. I haven't played a pro snake there's like no snakes in jersey.
Omega is a Marth main and he rapes with him. He's like the best one in the Midwest. And yeah I am pretty lucky to have played some of these people. Michigan has a pretty good Smash scene yay-uhz.
Everyone knows Sumer for some reason lol He's a Wolf main. I played him in the loser's bracket at my last tournament. He is not pro but he's good he gave me quite a challenge but I still won. He's pretty good though.
quote WiseLugia
this game sucks.
Fixed.
Hmmm I thought Xisin was the best marth in the mid west. I've seen some of Omega's vids he does rape though.
Hi i'm Sumer *waves* I come on here every now and then but i'm mostly on smashbrawlrankings like everyday. I also pop on AIB when i get bored too. If any of you ever wanna play just PM me on SBR or AIB and i should get back to you the same day with my reply. =]
Hi i'm Sumer *waves* I come on here every now and then but i'm mostly on smashbrawlrankings like everyday. I also pop on AIB when i get bored too. If any of you ever wanna play just PM me on SBR or AIB and i should get back to you the same day with my reply. =]
I think it should be 60-40 MK rather than what I think was 55-45. Anyway, Kirby has answers to MK's gimmicks like the tornado (fsmash it) and his fair should beat glide attack (I think all multi-hit moves do), Kirby's moves are all generally fast enough to hit MK between his moves although I don't think Kirby can beat many of MK's moves. Plus Kirby has a pretty forgiving recovery and his dair can knock MK out of tornado, shuttle loop and I think Drill Rush. IMO Kirby is better at killing as well. All I know is I'm more afraid of Kirby's kill moves than I am of MK's.
MK has the advantage obviously, but the matchup isn't really bad.
That seems about right. I don't know which moves beat out what though.
Olimar has the best matchup against snake, Metaknight has a 55:45 advantage on some stages although closer to 50:50 on neutrals. Falco is similar I think. D3 goes even with snake, its not an advantage any more.
lolwut
D3 in no way goes even with Snake. Get gimped, and CGed. Waddles screw up Nades, and D3 lives forever, so even Utilt won't kill till like 120%.
And then there is ROB. ROB outcamps Snake to hell, blows up Snake's grenades with his laser, which only takes about 2 seconds to recharge.
Plus he has an excellent tilt lock on Snake, his Bair and Nair are safe kill moves as well.
Anywho, Wario pretty much does solid against everyone. He will go even, or maybe a slight advantage, but I don't think he has that many great matchups in his favor.
His best matchup is, um... I guess ICs? I'm really not sure tbh.
And AL, you are probably right. I'd say its 6-4 Pika, but D3 is still capable of holding his own. His grab range rapes Pika's.
Bair makes it a pain to recover. If you DI the dthrow wrong you will get regrabed =/.
His best match up? Who cares it's prob against Gannon or Captain falco prob link.
From what l seen, D3 seems to have a very hard time if Pika ends up behind D3 since shes a short midget and Bair can't really connect. And that's what D3 tick if he gets raped from behind. I mean, I've gotten raped by Basic Sausage's D3 even though no cg/infinite, but maybe because Luigi has a harder time approaching D3 butt blerhg
Yeah avoiding the d3 on stage is easy but when he edge guards you with that shit its annoying. You can't QAC through it either =/.
toon link deserves way bettter than b tier i mean like hes on of the best his final samash does like 80% and automatically kills and his aireal attack is impossible to counter
I don't mean to be rude but you can leave the thread now.
I can almost agree. ROB can use Bthrow, Fmsash, Dsmash, Nair, and Bair though.
Falco only has Bair and Usmash in all honesty. Uair and Dsmash kill a bit later, but still.
I thought I heard somewhere that Ganon actually has a 6-4 disadvantage against MK. He can give MK some trouble with Ftilt and Dair, but once MK gets pass that, he is probably set for the stock.
And no gimping MK, otherwise joo get a Flame Choke suicide.
I find that hard to believe I think MK just swats him off stage and he cant come back.
Link/Toon Link players need to learn how to camp effectively. Just because you're spamming a shit ton of projectiles at record breaking speeds doesn't mean you're doing something efficient.
It's like that one guy on AiB I played a few days ago...his name starts with an M...dang ima go look that up.
Toon Link camping isn't anywhere near effective in most matchups where it matters.
Olimar? You can't outcamp an Olimar as Toon Link. Snake? Will still wreck you. D3?... It's effective. ROB? nope. MK? B Button.
I mean sure, you have your matchups where you better camp efficiently or else you'll lose, but his camping game isn't even that good. You might as well play Snake/Falco. Powershielding also says hi to TL camping. 3 Projectiles =/= good camping.
Pikmin eat EVERY SINGLE ONE of TL's projectiles to the point where you have to straight up use melee to get passed a campy olimar. Bombs? you better hope a pikmin's not attatched to you? Arrows? Probably your best bet. Boomerangs? pointless.
Bombs do around 4~7%. Nades do about 10~12%. Snake's not going to be camping you in this matchup. The Snake will be in TL's face, and camping's not going to do much at all about it. You can kite all day, take your little minute and a half to get Snake into kill%, the sad thing is once the snake gets in He'll probably equate all that damage you did with your futile camping in a mere 20 seconds. Then there's getting the kill which is just not fun at all. The safest way to get the kill is to get inside, pray you get a spotdodge oppurtunity and Usmash/Utilt. Granted this is Snake, and for the guaranteed kill you really need about 160/180% if he knows how to DI. How long will it take you to rack up this much damage by camping? I don't even want to think about it.
MK's B button > everything but Bombs. There isn't much success in camping MK really, because he has such an easy time getting into your face. You can throw all the things you want, run away as much as you can, but it's all moot vs. MK. Cause everywhere you go, he's there with you. You don't really pose a threat of any kind to him camping.
Most of the time you won't pose a threat to anybody by camping, you have to get in there and mix it up, Create oppurtunities for your stuff to hit. It's what makes TL, TL. Projectiles help set things up to make your average swordplay game that much better. Now you can't just throw stuff anywhere and just be like HAY GUYS IM BEAST. Your projectiles have to have a purpose. Throwing a bomb up gets into the opponents head, which can effectively put a wall where they don't want to be, thus either resetting your spacing or giving you the oppurtunity to punish now knowing what your opponent might do. Angled boomerangs help with anticipating SH's, and Arrows are mostly used as obstacles that force a shield, or put a halt to an approaching opponent. His projectiles aren't camping material.
And there goes my full explanation on why I said what I said.
But camping isn't just bombs you throw everything at them Bombs arrows Zair you even has some nairs in there also. At least this is coming from the Tlink I played. He was on the ground for all of 2 seconds and that was just to Quick Draw an arrow and he was back up either shooting an arrow or throwing a boomerang. Nair or Zair depending on distance.
As far as the specific match up go I'm not too familiar with olimar but I think if you stay out side of the range of his pikimin throws and throw shit at him then you're good.
Snake I think arrows would work nice while camping and you should try your best not to let snake get in your face. More jectiles!!!!!!!1
Actually I'd have to disagree with you about MK. Considering that he sword in the air has transcendent priority he can't cancel out any of your projectiles with an attack. So either he air dodges or eats the attack. Must likely he will air dodge. Punish that air dodge is your best bet. It's better to camp and rack damage than to let them get in close and rape you. Tlink options are very limited once an opponent gets within jab range. Which you already know. With that said your best bet is to always try to keep them at the tip of zair range. Space with Zair spam jectiles smash when their in kill percentages.
TL can't get anything done outside of his pikmin throw range, and besides doesn't Olimar usually cover whole stages with that? His throw range > all of TL's stuff yo.
One shouldn't really be on the ground much as far as jectile throwing goes. Too many options lead to Quick Draw for you to be doing that. But what I'm saying is Camping will not win you the match. His camping game is just not that good compared to what he can do by mixing it up.
The point I was really trying to make was that learning mix ups and how to operate against opponents feeling your projectile pressure is much more imperative to learn than camping.
Too lazy to think right now, I'm getting pretty hungry, so I'll respond properly tommorow. I guess I'll leave it at that.
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