Predictions For SSB4

quote Onikokoro

quote Kokoro

Actually, the clone characters are greatly reduced from Melee. The only character in Brawl that can probably be considered a clone is Toon Link. Characters like Falco are no longer clones.

I think people mix up the meaning of clone
A clone in fighters do not mean EXACTLY to the T same

It's when one characters STRONGLY REMINDS us of another character because of a majority of simular movements to the point of Laziness.

Fox, Wolf, and Falco
Ness, Lucas
Young Link, Link
Captain Falcon, Ganondorf

All have the same Points in there B moves and most of there A moves and all except for CF/GNN have the same point with there FS


They could have EASILY have unclonefied everyone there they could have a couple of things simular and been simular with out being clones

The best example of A Simular Premise BUT NON clone is

Jigglypuff, Kirby, and Mtaknight.
Mario, Luigi.

Both of these groups have at MAX 4 parts simular but change enough there diffrent and wouldn't even expect them as clones



My Final word with this game they got Lazy and I'm pissed they could have changed everything on them so they wouldn't be clones

I could have done it in 2 days with all that time they had they could have done something

quote Onikokoro

Sorry I have to tighty up this. it's had for me to read. I have to get to another debate and your just taking UP MY TIME....But it OK this one is far more interesting.

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1) make each character as individualas possible.

1) So your say that Making it so Fox, Falco, and Wolf. Ganon & CF, Lucas & Ness, TL & Link. move could not be compared to each other is IMPOSSIBLE. OK then


Well they all have almost completly different animations with completly different side effects, cept t.link but even him is still slighty different therefore they are as individual as possible on such short notice. (I don't even think sakurai was all to happy making this game so that would explain some outcomes)

YES IMPOSSIBLE....Let me take a wak at this....

Lucas

B. PK freeze is diffirent enough

>B. PK Flash. Like a mewtwo >B.

vB. PK LOVE- a LONG Charge Roy's B full charge long. he can't cancel the move once he started after the charge EVERYONE accept him get 20% damage no knock back there is a 10 second charge time between each SUCCESSFUL Love


^B. Pk thunder is fine.


Ganon

B. Death Stab. A Slightly Slower Falcon punch with the sword

>B CHANCE - Ganon Slowly lunges forward with his sword If they get hit buy the swing. you will get in a dead lock with the opponent both players press B as fast ast they can the winner does damage. Ganon give 30% if he wins opponent give 10-20% if they win

VB. Light ball- after a small charge (Falcon punch small) Charges a small ball of light it does 20-30% huge knock back it travels slow (Slower then pikachu B) This move easy Fairly easy to reflect with most well timed moves (slightly harder the IC ice balls).

^B Giant stomp - Ganon will jump HIGH in the air and come crashing down. (Yes like Dedede)



Toon Link

B Ice arrows- Slow and has a 40% chance of freezing some on on contact

>B. Bombchu- Drops a bombchu on the ground it will run in a straight line on Cling to walls until the
time runs out or touches some one.

VB. Iron Boots - last up to 10 seconds gives Link Super armer frames makes him SUPER SLOWa dn can't jump, but he can attack with them on. and all Opponent damage get a 1.5 damage bonus. ( ex Falcon Punch would not knock you out But instead of 25 damage you take 40%) push vB again to take them off

^B. Chicken flight- A chicken will apear it will lift you up VERY LITTLE but has HUGE horizontal distance the chicken will disappear. If you do it on the ground land you let go of the chicken the chicken will stay on stage for a little. Anyone hitting the chicken will be attacked hard buy the chicken doing damage. only ONE chicken can be on stage if a chicken is on the stage you can't recover

FS Hourglass- Slows everything down except you and get you a power bonus for 30 seconds

this is actually a GOOD t.link moveset. execpt for the iron boots they don't seem..to diferent.


Wolf

B. That gun works

>B. Claw. He swipes quickly does damage

VB Wolf howl- You can intimidate you opponent with a howl. any one in the sound area will make them shiver for a momemt leaving them open. (think jigglypuff sing BUT USEFUL)

^B.That kick is OK

FS Team wolf Call- Leon & Panther get called the fly there ships shooting the stage and dropping 4-8 smart bombs your immune to the fire.

HEY LOOK AT THAT... I DID THE IMPOSSIBLE

you win this one....

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4) Decide the changes in movesets.

4) There weren't that many changes from melee to begin with
yeah there were, from bowsers completly different side b,to zelda's lightning kicks, to peaches double attack to even ganons up b there were many changes.

Didn't think about it like that

YOU WIN THIS ONE

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5) come up with new possible ideas and make completly original characters.

5) How are they ORIGINAL?!? All he did was look in the history of NINTENDO and put moves on that they would do

ORIGINAL means from SCRATCH like what TEKKEN, SOUL CALIBER, and VIRTUAL FIGHTER do for ORIGINAL Characters. That means NEW Character Models, fighting style, Character Story, and Controls.



yeah you also win this one I mean Pokemon trainer with 3 pokes? soooo predictable I mean you have no imagination once you find out how to put pikmin in oli's moveset,how to give zamus a whip just so she can be in brawl,and I mean come on capt. falcon? are you kidding me why doesnt he have the falcon buttsmash like he did in his games man?oh wait. also if you dont consider taboo,duon,galleom to be original then yeah......

POKEMON TRAINER was easy. 3 pokemon all with moves from there Game.
OLI once they figured out Pikmin pluck everything else was gravy.
Zamus Whip was creative I will give you that
Captain falcon was not hard either
what do you mean capt. falcon was not hard! he never even ran before in his games all he did was race. to come up with like the falc.punch was very original. fox also didnt do much in his game before the first smash. Ness....that boy both confuses me and sickens me.
with all of those they went from scratch they didn't say we need this diffrent characters what should we do. Why not try having him pull thing from the ground and use it as weapons"

They Knew pikmin would be envovled they had to JUST figure out that

the process to make a character for brawl IS EASY think of it this way

1.You have to make 3 characters for brawl all from nintendo with movesets.

2. Next make one new character for soul calaber

to make one for soul caliber you have to

1. Draw what you want the person to look like
2. figure out the style you want.
3. create a backstory.
4. Create other characters that he is invovled with
5. Put details in your character. (background, grew up, family, freinds ect)
6. Put it all together

SMASH everything is done for you except 2

say i pick

Link

um,, in his game he uses a sword I will base his moves on sword swings.

his b moves let's see he used arrows, bombs, um a hole bunch but great spin that should be there and one more... boomerange no I need to balance it out I got the outline now for the creaters to make it.....That's it



Tabuu,duon,and Galleom SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN THE GAME ANYWAY creative yes but that was wasted time NO POINT FOR YOU.

not even a little point?
besides even if they shouldnt have been in this game they are sooo.....yes they are original. (execpt the subspace enemies there just knockoffs.)

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To come up with characters from SSB is the EASIEST THING TO DO. If you don't believe me go to youtube and look for what characters people made for those three games. Now look for characters People want in SSB there isn't a single movie on characters people created but thousands of characters for SSB why Because IT's super easy to make characters for brawl

you forgot to answer this one

dang I knew I forgat one.....okay obviuosly its not easy cuz.....cuz......dam!! one point for you.

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6) Start out with a fully fleshed out story mode.

6) The story sucked It was to unexplained AND LAZY. there are so many good fan fiks with Nintendo's Superstars. the story was trash.

The story was Something bad happened a group of nintendo stars save they day by defeating a UNKNOW and never explained character!!!!

Your right he was super lazy in making this story.In fact he should have stoped with the brawl,multi man,all star, classic,tourney, you know what just completly give up on multiplayer alltogether just to work out on a fully fleshed story. yeah it was very confusing but he explains it all on his sight, besides he was doing single player with multi player all at once, something's bound to get messed up and at least multi player didn't suffer.....much.

OK the subspace sucked because the STORY sucked I wrote a story out on the last page or to on this thread in 30 minutes. One the make sence and would get fans more involved story

Read that first and comment and comment buy comparing the to storys....PLEASE get back to me on this one in poticular

yeah but on his website sakurai explains that he had to cut some levels (or was it cutscenes?) such as the one where it shows the subspace enemies stealing meta's ship, or when DeDeDe fought Meta for no apperant reason, or the intro of tabuu and a slighty good more better idea of who he is ALOT earlier in the game but sadly all these had to go. And I wanted to see DeDeDe fight

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7) Decide who gets in and who gets cut (very tricky as almost all the characters in melee were EXTREMLY popular)





7) It's not THAT hard! It's "I will get rid of characters I don't want to return. People will get over it soon "

yeah me too!! To hell with Mario!BYE BYE LINK!And SOO LOONG SAMUS. wow that felt great now to sell my game.....why is nobody buying it? WHY???!!!! what if he took out luigi?,jigglypuff?,ganon?falco?

Come on I know your being sarcastic (I was too so i'm not complaining) but was it really hard to get rid of those people.

Roy- A permotion character that turned out was the LEAST favorite FE Lord...

Pichu, Metwo- They wanted pokemon trainer they were 9 pokemon is a bit MUCH. ANd mewtwo was because there were to many FIRST gen they needed a rep for there Diamond and Pearl

Dr mario - How could they make him original..There Moveset challenged...I could though in a heart beat....But you get my point.

Young Link - They made room for toon link by the fans



Those other characters I think were on the Block but were saved I could here the conversation now

you get this one also.
GANON

Miyamoto: Next to go I think is Ganon?

Sakurai: Why Ganon

Miyamoto: well he was a clone of CF and people really didn't like him I think his time is up.

Designer: NO NO NO wait I read alot of people wantd Ganon with a sword I could do that...

Miyamoto: I'm not sure... that seems like a lot of work

Sakurai: Ow give the boy a chance. I think he could do it

Miyamoto: OK were putting him in the game have a moveset with in 3 Months

Designer: you got it count on me...

3 Months later...

Sakurai: so do you have the new moveset specs

Designer: OHH WOW was THAT DO TODAY.

Sakurai: what do you mean you had 3 months We put him in the subspace he has to have his sword

Designer: OR i could change his moves up some from CF and we could have a taunt with his sword No on will be able to tell the diffrents...


FALCO

Miyamoto: I don't think Falco should return either

Sakurai: Yea you right Falco Is Out

Miyamoto: Yes we could put the fan favorite Krystel in, In his place

Sakurai: Yea Falco staying

Miyamoto: Wait you just said Falco out

Sakurai: Yea but I'm not having another female in this game it unnatural

Miyamoto: WHAT.. That's a little sexues isn't it

Sakurai: There's to much estragen in this game already It's bad enough Zelda, Peach, Samus, and that whore Nana are returning. I'm not having another female in this game

Miyamoto: well tough the law says you have to add AT LEAST 2 Females to to every game. There the Shivery Laws. besides the fans will Notus there are no new females

Sakurai: Well this is bad....Wait I got it We will take Samus out of her suit.... That will destract them making it SEEM like there is a new female.

Miyamoto: that Leave one more

Sakurai: Damn....I got it... We will make SHiek into a girl

Miyamoto: WHAT...

Sakurai: Yes Yes will give him tits that way were in the clear people won't expect anything.

Miyamoto: What about the third rep for starfox

Sakurai: Wolf

Miyamoto: WOLF oyu got to be kidding me

Sakurai: Yes WOLF

Miyamoto: What about the clone complant

Sakurai: we will alter them slightly so no one will think them as clones

Miyamoto: BAKA


JIGGYPUFF

Miyamoto: JIGGLYPUFF IS OUT.

Sakurai: OK...Why

Miyamoto: Jigglypuff is the most hated character they wanted her out since 64 they say she doesn't belong in brawl. She has like 5,000,000 rude comments about her over the internet

Sakurai: Ok doesn't bother me! She's out. Weird though I didn't hear any people say anything

Miyamoto: Well it Only the americans we love jigglypuff.

Sakurai: AMERICANS...AMERICANS. F@#% IT jigglypuff is staying.

Miyamoto: STAYING why?

Sakurai: I'M sick of the americans thinking they can get what ever the want JUST by saying rude things. Land Of dreams My A$$. I will break em now. Put jigglypuff back on.... And Nerf the HELL out of it

Miyamoto: she not that good to begin with why Nerf?

Sakurai: I want them to hate her more I will show them to complain. I"m pissed now. so know what else Tell them this on this E3 that it will come out on december 3

Miyamoto: But it won't be due until at Least the end of FEB

Sakurai: Yes then 2 weeks before the release tell them about the delay...Then delay it again until some time in March..

Miyamoto: but if we delay them to much then we won't have time to get the game to europe

Sakurai: What the F@#$ is a Europe!



Sorry for my humor


lol wow! the last one made me fall of my chair!!

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10) Give up all hopes on sickdays, vacations, ETC. once you start with a game this big by yourself your life belongs to it.

10) He had vacations and sick days with those days Youchi Miyaji took over

Never knew that..did he update the site aswell?huh never noticed.

I would have to check that....But he updated at his home he could be sick and still do it and there was that 2 weeks during New Years

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11) try to get it out as soon as possible with little to no delays.

11) But there were delays went there

as in TRY not to to have any delays.

TRY IS THE KEY WORD...No one can win this point I will call it a draw or not valid

no fair, halo didnt get any delays.......(does saying a game will come out on the day of a rival corp releases their invention even though he has no authority to release the game counts as a delay?)

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13) max out all possible potential to the online play (even though it flop nint. could still fix it)

13) MAXED OUT!!! OH MY GOD DON'T GET ME STARTED. YOUR JOKING RIGHT I THINK YOUR STRETCHING TO GET 15 POINTS

yes i know it floped as stated above...But that doesnt change the fact that there is one and nint. could always fix it. (xplay said the reason for the delay was to max out online...they lied to me ) so half and half I'll give you this one.

Yes I will go with draw

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14) Do seemingly impossible things in this game (olimar was considered to be impossible to be in this game)

14) IMPOSSIBLE!? I agree OLIMAR moveset is a little bit harder to make then other characters but Impossible is stretching

as in what other people say its impossible sakurai said screw that It's possible.

I can't argue with that....There's nothing to argue ZERO POINT this will be negated

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Quite frankly with 2 years of all this I assumed 28 characters max...most of you think that making a game is so easy..or just because there was some bad stuff the developers were to lazy...you have no idea what sakurai went through just to please you people.

Two years I could have had 60 characters WITH ALT COSTUMES that would have been 120 characters EASY

yeahh......sure you could

This is a pissing contest I KNOW I could you don't believe me! I say we could...

A) Call it a tie

B) We could fight this. Give me a way that I could PROVE it to you and i will do the best of my abilities to prove it to you


Either one works for me

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HE STATED BEFORE ALL THIS THAT HE WOULD NEVER EVER MAKE ANOTHER SUPER SMASH BROTHERS GAME AGAIN SIMPLY BECAUSE HE WAS TIRED WITH IT AND LEFT NINTENDO!!!!!!


That is a ingenious front if you are a Key to a HIGH selling game that made Millions your not going to be "O yes I can't wait to make another one".

If your smart you will say "I Think this will be the last one". Then when there making the next one you will have the power of negotiation so you will get to do what YOU want with less grip and get paid more

umm no sakurai was done....besides they'll always make another....hope it doesnt suck since it WILL NOT have sakurai. cuz if he makes this game again then we can expect 50 more smash games if he keeps changing his mind like that.

I'm possitive sakurai will return I don't have a diffrent arguement then the one I gave though

ehh... I dont think he'll return but who knows? as long as he stays learns his mistakes and make many new ones I really dont care I just want another one.[/color]

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Now I was gonna tell you how the starfox char. are not clones but God my fingers hurt.

THEY ARE BY DEFINITION

no there not by defintition thats like saying mario and luigi are clones. the only clone is falco and even then not by much.

I ran outof time to agrue this one I will give it to you for now



OK this was better we knocked off some I don't mind hearing your replies. maybe we could knock some more off.

dont know why this is in coler.

quote Onikokoro

quote dwg14390

WHO BROUGHT BACK THIS THREAD!!!

Oh crap....oni might see this

quote Onikokoro

) I Wins

2) I Wins

3) I wins




4) U Wins

ah well....he's dead anyways....whew, I win the round!!!

?????? DEAD ??????

OH I Saw it... So come on you got anything to rebutail

quote Rawk

Ok, Im going to redo my list of characters I would like to see in SSB4 (if they ever made another one). Reason being is again im in work and again i am very bored, so i thought to myself what could be better than getting paid to write out a list of characters?

I'm going by the same rule of at least 4 representatives per franchise. Also most franchise's will have a 'Nemesis' type character (which could relate to a story mode). So here goes:

**MARIO**

Mario, Luigi, Yoshi, Peach, Bowser, Wario, Daisy, Waluigi, Toad, Iggy Koopa.

firstly Wario represents the Warioware series.Which needed Ashley and Kat&Ana.
secondly who the hell wants daisy or waluigi? There just horrible horrible mistakes that ninty made.
And lastly out of all the koopas and the rising success of Bowser jr. why iggy? Jr. has a much easier and unique moveset going for him.

**ZELDA**

Link, Zelda/Shiek, Gannondorf, Young Link(with Majora's Mask abilities), Toon Link, Skull Kid.

**KIRBY**

Kirby, Metaknight, King Dedede, Knuckle Joe

**POKEMON**

Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Pkm Trainer, Lucario, Some evil type pokemon (any suggestions? I don't really know about this franchise).
Mewtwo is technically the most evil poké, even though he's not. He is the only one with the evil laugh though.
**STARFOX**

Fox, Falco, Wolf, Krystal

**METROID**

Samus/Zero Suit, Gandrayda, Ghor, Rhundus, Alpha Ridley (made that one up, thought it could be a prototype Ridley that's a lot smaller than the others......?)

no, no, no. ALPHA?? who the hell wants alpha? I want Omega . Also the only ones that would work is Rundas and Sylux.
**DONKEY KONG**

Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Dixie Kong, Lanky Kong, King K.Rool

I hate lanky *throws dk 64 out the window.*
**MOTHER/EARTHBOUND**

Ness, Lucas, Flint, Porkey Minch (without robot shell thingy)

**FIRE EMBLEM**

Marth, Roy, Ike, Lyndis, Sothe, Garneff (main bad guy from 1st fire emblem, was some sort of warlock).

**F-ZERO**

Captain Falcon, Jody Summer, Samurai Goroh, Deathborn.

**KID ICARUS**

Pit, Paultena, Medusa, Orcos (main bad guy from 2nd game).

**CLASSIC**

Ice Climbers, Mr Game and Watch, R.O.B, Stanley

**MISC NINTENDO**

Pikmin and Olimar, Issac, Mach Rider, Saki Amamiya.

they all represent their own series. Olimar represents the pikmin series wich should have louie or the president. Issac has golden sun, don't know what mach rider has but saki has sin&punishment.

**SEGA**

Sonic, Knuckles, Axel (from Streets of Rage), Shinobi

there should be only 1 character from each of the third party. Remember this game is about NINTENDO'S history and is all about NINTENDO characters. There should only be a max. up to 5 3rd party characters being only the most popular from their games and no one else.
**KONAMI**

Snake, Grey Fox, Simon Belmont, Goeman.

Same goes here.


That's 74 characters. 82 if you include - Shiek, Zero Suit, Charizard, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Goron Link, Zora Link and Deku Link.

I could go into detail about some of the NEW characters moves...but i might leave that till tomorrow.










This message was edited by Rawk on Jun 18 2008.

This message was edited by Rawk on Jun 18 2008.

quote Rawk

Ok when it comes to Iggy Koopa i think he would work well, he's a bit retro, i got good set of moves for him, as well as his stage. Bowser Jr would be too predictable. No he's not....is he?

For Alpha Ridley...i didnt know he existed, i don't really know the Ridleys(ha, sounds like a reality show) that well, but isnt Omega really HUGE? Alpha doesn't exist but omega does...and no not that he's bigger then regular ridley it's just that he's 9.000000.00000.1 stronger than normal ridley.

Lanky Kong would be pretty cool, would have great reach and is someone unique, i'd keep him in!
NO HE'S NOT *gets dk64 smashes it, then burns it to the ground, while giving it to a prostitute to suffer a new std while the eternal flames burn the cartridge as I jam it in a snes system.*

I disagree with you about Rundus about being the only one who would work, Gandrayda would be awesome, Ghor could be tricky but still could work. Who's Sylux?
gandrayda would be tricky, ghor is a transformer so ya he's in, and who's slyux?? Man you missed out on the next possible big enemy who can clearly outlast both dark samus and ridly. for more info clicky here on the soon uprising Sylux, Samus TRUE enemy. http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Sylux

True Wario does represent the WarioWare series, but he did start of in the Mario series and that's where I'm gonna keep him.
yes but if he is in the mario series it means that ashly and kat&ana won't be able to be playable characters and we NEED more girls especially the not princess types.Also most of his moves CAME from warioware AND warioland both completly different than mario series since he's only been in like what 1 real game?

I'll give you that Waluigi wouldnt be very good, but I think Daisy would....just wait for my descriptions if i can be bothered to do them.
screw daisy I say baby daisy ..........no wait I hate them both....ROSALINA!!!!

When it comes to the Pikmin games I couldnt think of any other characters that would really work for it, Louis really wouldnt.

but the president would

Yeah you could have 4 reps for Golden Sun and Sin and Punishment....but I couldnt think of any.

And finally seeing as Sega and Konami were the only ones to allow a 3rd party character in the game, I'll stick with the 4 reps from each company thanks.....until more companies decide on if they want to add their characters....if another Smash would ever be made.
but why ninty would never allow more "outsiders" in their game. to many would ruin the whole basis that is super smash brothers a NINTENDO game and nothing else.
Phew! That took a while.

quote Fearmyflatscreen

quote dwg14390

team color neutral: Remember in past games where the only teams where red/green and blue? well there still here however this time you can choose any color you want!

I think this is a bad idea. What is the point of being on the blue team if you're character is red? It's just confusing. The reason for team colours is to differenciate.

quote dwg14390

if you don't like it you can always just assign the colors as you normally would. Team red=everyone in this team red. So this works for everyone!!

quote Fearmyflatscreen

The female versions of the trainers could just be a costume change for the trainer, same pokemon. A sound change would be required aswell.

quote Silver_the_Hedgehog

That Nintendo and Capcom will kiss and make-up, and Mega Man will be in the next Smash......assuming they make one.

EDIT: I think getting Sora would be too much of a hassle. Isn't he owned by Disney now? I don't know if Disney would want one of their characters to be in a game like that......