Nero and DMC5? ?(Spoilers) - Page 7

quote BloodyDove

I think it's a huge mistake on Capcom's part to only give Dante 7 missions out of 20 in a DMC game

quote BloodyDove

As far as love stories are concerned, in my video games, the romance pretty much killed DMC 4's story line for me, which was for the most part mediocre in my eyes

Couldn't agree more

quote BloodyDove

Also in terms of Having Dante playing a bigger and more of a lead role in DMC 5, I think that is most assured and the fans don't have to worry about that seeing as how DMC 4 got pretty much mixed reactions with the new lead

I really hope so

quote BloodyDove

And Capcom would be stupid to NOT show what had happened after Dante came back from Hell

Who says he came back from hell...

quote

As far as love stories are concerned, in my video games, the romance pretty much killed DMC 4's story line for me, which was for the most part mediocre in my eyes. They cared too much about a guy getting the girl at the end, they didn't focus nearly enough on the TRUE aspects of DMC 4's story line, which pretty much does revolve around Dante.

You overlook that Dante has had 4 games, manga's and anime all based primarily, circulating around him to clarify the mass amount of information withheld upon him, while there are still uncertainties about him.
If you think about it like this:
Nero, a further character to the series, has left vast uncertainty in the entire story, not just pertaining to DMC4; which comprises of Sparda, Dante and Vergil combined, which is serious. Imagine the possibilities Capcom could engrave about it, Capcom aren't the paramount at stories, but I loved DMC4 non the less; and maybe after DMC4, it may show the true restrictions and boundaries Nero can push himself and his efforts. He seems loving and caring, this can be exploited and shown how far he'll go to defeat any obstacles to maybe save Kyrie or Fortuna; double of DMC4 had.

If Dante only just appeared in DMC4 like Nero, and nothing was known, fans will reject it. There's no doubt, but imagine Dante's story being told later, which is a large possibility which may happen with Nero and people may passion him more.

As for the love part, I don't want his personality distorted to fit the action and mindless killing in the process either, which im sick of; I felt the love aspect between Nero and Kyrie was refreshing to the constant FSP war games which sicken me with its repetitive nature which this generation seem hellbent on. All DMC games show an aspect of love, this being how maybe showing how Sparda may have acted with Eva, since there are many simularties. The gothic architecture, style and graphics all seemed like something new (to me because it's all the same today) and I felt the magical feel to it. The music made it seem ever more so. I felt the ambiance like a kid again slightly with it. No games contain love barely anymore.
As much as i love Dante, all the way to DMC9 with Dante saving the world from demons and women with breasts bigger than their head, would get boring and mostly appealing to men. I hate love stories, but i loved this one. Not half as bad as Tidus from FF.

quote

He's supposed to have all that stuff based around him. It's HIS story. I would expect the Manga's and the games to be based circulating around him as well as having him as the main guy. Like I would expect the Tomb Raider games to be based around Laura Croft or all the Batman comics to revolve around Batman in some ways. I would expect them to revolve around him.

Firstly, Devil May Cry isn't Tomb Raider or Batman; it's an absolutely diverse genre and based style. What transpired to Tomb Raider? It had an appalling finale because it became dreary and ran out of ideas to persist it. The first few games entertaining, then it downcast into the pits. I don't recall Batman either still having the magnetism it once perceived, not that I even like it at all.
DMC4 had one individual game not on Dante, and your lament about it like he's gone eternally, when Dante was still a central character and the story was ALSO circulating around him. It was focused more on Nero and his role which i dont find problematic.

quote

I don't necessarily disagree with this however at the same time we can explore Nero's character as a supporting character and see how the uncertainty and the story unfolds with Nero on the side line. Which would be more aproprite in my opinion and more effective since Nero IS a new character and this IS his first game. Once again I am not at all against new characters. I like new characters. As long as they don't take over the lead of an existing one who does a great job of upholding the series. You can still explore many different story aspects and STILL keep The main guy the same. Nero can push himself and his efforts and break off with his own game While Dante continues the good fight and continues with HIS games.

Spin-offs are usually utter catastrophes and cock the core narrative up. Packing the action into one line of focal games is more effective and exhilarating than what Resident Evil, Silent Hill, Final Fantasy etc have all done and butchered; made the series confused and wearisome.
Nero on a microscopic little game for a PSP wouldn't show his impending potential apart from bare pixilated slashing on a abortive hand-held console that's barely amusing and knotty to play. I want Nero as main protagonist again, and show his true boundies for Kyrie and Fortuna.
I adore Dante, don't get me mistaken, but I like change. Resident Evil did it with RE4, while it didn't retain its scary tone (in some areas) it revolutionized; made me grasp the gameplay and story more. Nero needs a chance.

quote

But he didn't appear that way at all. His story told from the get go. Nero has almost NO background about him. Or WHY we are playing as him. There are many cases where supporting characters have just as much passion as main ones. Like I said I don't see a reason WHY Dante should not be the main guy in this game or throughout the series.

He was the foremost guy, he had a reduced amount of missions, I'm not belligerent about it. Talking about guys with no information; look at Vergil's bearing, some people worship him more than Dante, yet he has no information and one of the most stereotyped persona's in history. I don't comprehend it. Nero had a more pleasurable personality to me; maybe that's just preference, but everyone seems to love the impassive, carnage character. I find love and devotion more appealing to me anyway, Nero was still a bad-ass. Dante had a breakdown over Trish in DMC1, he scarcely knew Trish…what would he even do over someone he loved like Nero for Kyrie?

quote

Who said it had to be? Who says Dante can't love or feel love while still retaining his personality? Love doesn't change that. Nor does it effect the gameplay. It would be subtle rather than blatantly obvious which is more effective in my eyes.

Everyone is distinctive, people call Nero enough of a Dante wannabe already. If you had a recent character, how would you make him, without having any traits of Dante? It's pretty inadequate, but you can have large change in different areas; such as with Nero and Kyrie. Nero is a realist, not a complete uncanny, nutcase like Dante. His personality reflects more what a human would do, given the circumstances, opposed to Dante, who would be flippant.

quote

No disagreement here however the subtleties like I said was one of the factors. Dante cared about Trish. That's obvious and he cared about Lady. However instead of making a romance novel out of it, they kept it in a primarily professional and subtle manner. Which to me is more effective and traditional?

Actually, that retains to the more recent games, where concealing emotion is more engaging to the teenage crowd and just having abnormally sized genitalia women to please them. Again, Nero is a realist; Dante has a totally dysfunctional family. Nero has Kyrie, her being taken and a man you knew since childhood trying to kill you, if slightly disheartening, with consistent threats of death to her from Agnus and Sanctus.
Your going to cry and be overly fustrated in such a short period of time. Nero never experienced what Dante did as a child, two different reactions. As proof from Dante and Vergil.

quote

A LOT of games have love aspects to them. Maybe not in a romantic sense but still has love story aspects none the less. God of War had an important love aspect to it and that game is chock full of violence. The final Fantasy games, Hell even HALO had some sense of caring for the characters as well. But like I said, it wasn't an all out boy gets girl which I feel kills the game for me. At least in the story sense.

Name me over 5 modern games released in 2006-2007 that have in Nero and Kyries term, of pure love and fustration to get them back. Of course all games have some incentive behind them, but it's Devil May Cry for a rationale, that a demon can love. Dante did, but Nero showed more, especially since he has the blood of Sparda within him, and striking resemblance between Sparda and Eva to Nero and Kyrie. I bet Sparda perused after Eva a few times and cried for her. There are other things besides the love that are presented.

quote

That's what Devil May cry is. You're supposes to have Dante saving the world from Demons. I mean even DMC 4 had the main guy saving the world for a big bad. You're supposed to have that in a game. Especially in a game entitled DEVIL MAY CRY where most likely it will be a hell on earth battle. And you don't think Kyrie wasn't appealing? Please. Her breast may have been covered up but her bust and her rear were just as curvy as Lady's or Trish's.

I draw the line there. There is more to explore than Dante saving the world and exploring related family members such as Vergil and Nero (he is somehow) into more depth. Both still had Dante there. I'm a girl, but I know what's slutty and whats not to men and she seemed more innocent than into the whole 'action- shoot shoot, tight revealing garments with no bra' aspect, your being shallow if you only want bad-ass, manly, pizza eating, womanizing demon hunter and revealing girls. It can go way deeper.

quote Sonny RFC

quote BloodyDove

I think it�s a huge mistake on Capcom�s part to only give Dante 7 missions out of 20 in a DMC game

quote BloodyDove

As far as love stories are concerned, in my video games, the romance pretty much killed DMC 4�s story line for me, which was for the most part mediocre in my eyes

Couldn't agree more

quote BloodyDove

Also in terms of Having Dante playing a bigger and more of a lead role in DMC 5, I think that is most assured and the fans don't have to worry about that seeing as how DMC 4 got pretty much mixed reactions with the new lead

I really hope so

quote BloodyDove

And Capcom would be stupid to NOT show what had happened after Dante came back from Hell

Who says he came back from hell...

Glad you agree

I hope so too. But I think that Capcom is put in that position after DMC 4

And you're right. We don't know for sure that he came back from hell. But...it's speculated that he did. But speculations always change.

"Firstly, you don't have to get hostile over it, you weren't amplifying yourself and indiscriminately going into DMC with Batman and Tomb Raider.
Actually, the story began to reek eventually on Tomb Raider, and Batman is just monotonous all round. I don't see any new contemporary fans going to Batman scarcely these days, it's more a juvenile orientated thing with a silly cape and costume."

I'm sorry. I thought you were smart enough to actually see that I was making an EXAMPLE with those games. I mean any fool would know that they have nothing to do with each other. But like I said, you obviously lack the intelligence to see what I was trying to say. I apologize for that, I didn't know I was dealing with an invalid. As for your little idiotic statement on Batman, I find that laughable. I mean your entire post is just riddled with unintentional humor, but that statement alone is just classic. I take it you never even picked up a Batman comic or watched any of the movies or shows. Silly Cape and a Costume? You really are an idiot you know?

I mean I even stated that in my initial post as an example That was pretty obvious I thought. As for the story reek in Tomb Raider, well yeah I agree. But seriously the story was never great to begin with. Same with DMC's story line. Games like this, story isn't the strong part. As far as batman is concerned, anyone who has actually the comics and seen the movies as well as the show, wouldn't say something like that. In fact I'd say batman is more of a complex and indepth character than Dante and Nero put together. He's more than just a a juvenile oriented thing with a silly cape and a costume. More so than some love stricken fool with a goofy arm at least.

"I essentially have a rigid time talking to fanboys because they're exceptionally inflexible and annoying, to not take perspective from a newcomer."

As to a inflexible and annoying Nero fan boy who decided to bombard the IGN forums like a piss ant little fool who just got their bowl of wheaties pissed on? This statement of yours is just dripping with contradictory BS.

I admit to some degree that I am a fan boy. But these are my points, if you don't like it tough, I'm allowed to think the way I want to. Like I said, I am a traditionalist in a lot of ways and as far as newcomers are concerned, I don't mind them. Just as long as they aren't in the spotlight yet. Is that an elitist statement? Yeah it is. I won't deny that. It's still what I believe.

"I've had a flame war over on IGN with it with Nero for 2 weeks solid, I've only just been banned now, neither do I care. Its more about digging your feet in and being obstinate to all else."

Seems like you care very much seeing as how you keep bringing it up.

So then why are you arguing with me about this? If that was the case, then we wouldn't be having this conversation. If you don't want a flame war then why even bother trying to debunk my opinion? You're the one responding to me like a typical fanboy.

It's obvious we aren't going to change each other's opinion. And I have no intentions of starting a flame war. I'm just talking about what I think about the game. You have a different fine whatever. It won't change my point of view.

"Not every series has one main character, and progressing multifaceted and deeper into the story will make it less likely for new fans to understand what the hell is going on."

Seeing as how this is the 4th installment I'd say it would be hard for ANYONE to understand what the hell is going on if they were to start at the 4th game. Usually people play the first few games before they reached up to the 4th installment. That's like starting the Lord Of The Rings Trilogy at Return of the King and watching Two Towers last. That's just silly.

Not every series does. However after using said character for consecutive installments as well as developing a fan base for it, you should keep him the same. Especially when going into a next gen installment. I see no reason for it. Once again, you're just being a very ignorant person right now.

"I've been a fan since DMC1; and I love Dante, he is the series, however I'm not going to bitch over a new character having a shot at the limelight either."

Fine that's ok. More power to you. Unlike you however I actually have standards in what I play. See I actually CARE about where the series is going. And when a group of hack developers with no sense of direction feels the need to throw a monkey wrench into their series, it becomes an issue. Especially since this series takes place before the second installment where Dante IS the main guy. There's no reason for it like I said

If I feel a character doesn't deserve a shot at the limelight especially in a series established by a previous character who already does a good job, I'm gonna state so.

"Being in the gaming and graphical business, I take from view points. If it were a brown haired, glass wearing geek who sat down and did nothing, id have a dilemma. Obviously, i dont."

You obviously don't take it from different view points seeing as how you dubbed Dante Pizza Eating womanizer. That's just a ludicrous statement and I don't believe for a second that any game company would hire a person with wayward logic such as yourself. I mean this idiotic statement alone pretty much null and void whatever ho hum theory you had.

Wow. Stereotype people much? You assume all geeks are glass wearing people who sit around and do nothing? I'm not even gonna bother giving this part a proper response. But you mention you are in the gaming and graphical business right? Lets talk about that for a second. As a person in that business. You have to know what works and what doesn't work. And you have to listen to your audience. At least HALF your fanbase in DMC's case is pretty much hating the new changes in DMC 4. Not just Nero but the lack of combos and what little enjoyment the Devil Bringer brought to the series. As a game developer as you claim to be, you should be focused on those aspects and listen to your fans. So I don't believe for one second that you are a so called game of graphics designer. And if you are, then you have the most single minded point of view I have ever seen. That's just disgraceful to the position of working in a game company. You ought to be ashamed.

"Spin-offs are dire, I'm not voicing anymore on it other than the only thing I'll play is the central storyline since they endeavor into making it. DMC isn't the game series to spin-off into all sorts of routes and impair it. Silent Hill, not a superior instance, but Origins was poor anyway"

Then you're a fool. Plain and simple. A stupid fool who makes absolutely no sense. ANY game series can go off into spin off routes and still be fun and successful if done right.

Correction Spin offs aren't dire. BAD spin offs are. There is nothing wrong with playing an alternate story line within the verse of the game series. It can be just as fun if not more in some cases than the ORIGINAL story line. Who says DMC isn't the game series to spin off on? You? Is what you say law? If done right, you can have a very successful spin off with a great story and amazing gameplay. You may not like it, but thankfully not all of us share your ill minded view towards spin offs.

PS Origins was not as good as the Other Silent Hill games, but I had enjoyment out of it.

"It should matter if it's on the PSP or DS, since the screen is so miniature and aggravating its not comical, and uncoordinated to move your hands around, unlike a console pad. It's not Final Fantasy. I don't want DMC into the trend."

So now the platform on which the game is played makes the game fun now right? I mean forget about the fact that the gameplay is great or that it's awesome to play as Ratchet And Clank on a portable system with all the stuff that made the original R and C games on the ps2 and ps3 amazing right. it sucks because it's on a different type of system? No game developer in the right mind would have this sort of idiotic mindset.

Why? Why does it matter if a game series is on the PSP or DS? As long as it's good and enjoyable I could care less if it's on the psp, ds heck even on the GBA. Your little theory towards portable systems and spin offs is quite awkward. There are a lot of great titles and sequels and prequels on these portable systems that are enjoyable to it. No insult intended but Maybe you should be a little open minded towards that.

"I began hating LOZ after Wind Waker, nevermind Phantom Hour Glass, God Of War is just a red herring and Ninja Gaiden I dislike anyway."

Spoken like a person who truly sucks at video games. Oh well that's expected after hearing the rest of your crap. It's not my fault that you suck at those games.

But Awkward it maybe you are entitled to think that way. Personally I think those games were fun. And in some small way even exceded their console counter parts. But hey. I'm not gonna force you. In fact a lot of those spin-offs that you show much ill feelings towards, a LOT of them are more well liked than their console counter parts. Hell even The Phantom Hour Glass by a lot of Zelda fans consider it far more superior than Windwaker on the game cube. Your logic makes no sense.

"Again, Dante was still there, he was playable and if you looked into the story more, it's all tied around Dante and what he's done with Fortuna and Sanctus and Gloria/Trish."

Of course he was there. He was in the game. If he was in a cut scene for one second he would still "be there" however in terms or Story, no it wasn't about him any more. It's about the piss ant love story between Nero and his clingy need goofy girlfriend Kyrie.

He was. For 7 missions. Which is pathetic. He should've had more. Especially since we were promised to end the game with Dante. In fact we were promised a lot from Kobayashi that wasn't delivered. As for being all tied around Dante, it was. No argument there...for the first half, but after wards it was just a focus for Nero saving Kyrie. In fact Nero didn't even care until the Order gave him a mission to do so. Dante still should've been the main guy for the reason that you just stated.

It wasn't about DANTE any more. It was now about Nero. Nero was the main guy, the story was focusing around HIM now. Not Dante. Which I;m not to thrilled about. At least for the second half they decided to chuck out the original purpose. What a crock of crap.

"Older fans hated Nero, newer fans loved him. Some older fans like Nero too; he has every opportunity and trait to be main character potential. It's just a case of you being a fanboy and rejecting it."

Of course older fans are going to hate him. He's a carbon rip off of Dante. A bad version bight I add. He had the opportunity, but he failed miserably. You obviously haven't seen what people have been saying. It's not so much being a fan boy as it is having standards in a game. You're a sappy idiotic sucker for a mediocre love story so obviously you don't see the faux pas ridden in this game. Which causes you to spew out idiotic rants. I find that really amusing.

Whatever potential that this Dante wannabe has is nothing more than ripped off character traits from the original character making him a cheap second rate knock off. The only potential he screams especially in DMC 4's case is "I'm not main character" It's not JUST fan boys talking. It's the fact that he's a shitty piss poor rendition of an already great character.

I don't think a guy with no background in a game where a main character is already established all of a sudden pops up and says "Hey I'm the new main guy. Waka waka waka" who is nothing more than a second rate carbon of Dante with absolutely Zero potential for being the main guy this early should be put in the spot light.

"I'm not going to dispute with your fanboy crisis, because it'll turn into a full blown squabble, but, people are lethargic to not even go deeper into his character."

Again you fail at logic. That's funny that you say I have a fanboy crisis when you decided to come on here and bust my chops for not submitting to your convictions about a mediocre installment. You're so full of shit that it's not even funny.

You don't want to squabble? What are you doing right now? I just came on here to give my two cents and here you are breathing down my neck because I don't agree with a certain installment? So what? I'm a fan boy. Big deal. You're no different than any other Nero fanbot who is all hissy and pissy because I decided that Nero is a ho hum character

I'm not saying people have to think the way I do or anything like that. I'm not threatening anyone. You seem to be the only one bothered by this.

And maybe people don't want to dive into his character…Perhaps you're right. But then again there are quite a few people who are debating that there is a lot more they can do with this character. And those guys won't give him up with out a fight.

"DMC3 fans over Vergil; for example:
He's ok, I don't rank him as anything extraordinary but an overrated stereotyped villain; or 'anti-hero', but I don't bother to look deeper into him and pick up signs, however, I know more than an average DMC would about him, purely because I'm a fanatic."

You make laugh you know that? You fail at using the psyche evaluation card you know that? If you are going to do so, at least make sense out of your babble. How do you know exactly what the average DMC fan would think about Vergil?

Agree I don't think he is that great either. I like him but if he doesn't make another appearance in a DMC game I won't cry over it. However Dante IS the main character out of the series. And he's not making a main character status in a Devil May Cry Game? Sorry that doesn't fly with me. Maybe it is the fan boy crisis talking but none the less that's not kosher with me.

"I could even tell their appearance apart from a mile off with Nero in comparison to Dante, but I'm not an ordinary fan. And actually, seeing as Nero is the same age as Dante from DMC3, Nero wasn't as brash and a lot wittier than Dante would have been."

You're right. You aren't an ordinary fan. You are a stupid fan. Your post proves that too me.

They're really isn't a lot of difference with Nero and Dante. Maybe Nero is open about showing emotions however for most part, he's a LOT like Dante. Like I said, there are many incidents where Nero pretty much coppied Dante's wit and what not. And his corny Dialogue as well. I'm sure a LOT of people would feel the same way as I do. Quite a few reviews are stating that as well.

"As for the love story part, don't stereotype me because I'm a girl for liking it, since I love hardcore action and fighting, since I revile all love stories and they get too mushy and kissy kissy, but DMC4 did it right for me. It wasn't over the top, nor too little for me. Infact, I go as far to say it's the only game with love to this level I like. Most love in all games is so subtle and just run of the mill human nature that it's not a factor to be considered in that genre"

I'm not stereotyping you at all because you like it. I'm saying you're a flaming hypocrite and you're a fool for giving me this BS that makes no sense. You say you are open to different directions yet you don't see that keeping the main guy the same can still go in a new direction as well? You make no sense and you're a sad excuse for a DMC fan. DMC 4 WAS that mushy Love story BS. It revolved around it. It even had a little love song to go in the freaking game. You obviously haven't played a lot of video games.

I'm not stereotyping you because you're a girl. I;m saying that this story is a cliché piece of crap with no sense of continuity to the other stories.

First off I never stereotyped you at all. I don't know HOW you got that Idea but I never did anything like that and I think it's pretty stupid that you would say that I stereotyped you when you are the one that has a weird stereotypical idea of what a geek is.

I never belittled anyone for liking the story. I'm merely stating that the romance in this game could've been toned down a little and have a little more subtlety instead of the mushy dialogue and over the top romance in this game. If you liked it, whatever kudos to you. I didn't. I would rather like a subtle love story rather than an obvious one where it was plastered over the entire story line like a period piece flick.

"Firstly, I can take into bet that I know double of that you know about the series. I know more than some moderators and admins on DMC forums and had debates over many issues. Telling me I know nothing about Dante and the series is like telling a mother she doesn't know how to look after a child."

Is this the part where I am supposed to be impressed that you are a DMC geek? Huh? I mean I guess I should shudder because you are such a huge expert in DMC. Sorry but I'm not impresed. I could give a rats ass if you are an obessed DMC nerd. This was merely my view on a game which I feel falls short compared to the first and third. And I only stated that you know nothing because you implied that all I cared about was a as you stated "Pizza eating womanizing Demon hunter" which is far from the truth.

And thank you for posting that video for me. That pretty much proved my point. Saying that he won't even look at another woman and what not is false and this video pretty much is my defense for this. If he didn't look, then why did he linger on in some places before he looked away? He took his time, or at least more time than needed when taking a loot at Gloria. Like I said maybe his attraction to Kyrie was stronger but he was taking his sweet time in checking out Gloria. Why don't YOU pay attention to it more.

I don't remember saying I hated the game. I said it was a let down and I don't agree with it for the most part. I don't see how that equals to hatred. You're right. It wasn't just two seconds. I apologize. It was a little more than that. Maybe he looked away because he didn't want her to see him get all "excited" ooooh wow. A guy looking at a woman's bare thigh, there's a shocker for you. It looked like he lingered on a little TOO long to me. Not that I care about Gloria but hey if that's Nero's thing, all the power to him. He maybe a one woman man but he was looking a little too much. But I'm sure if Kyrie was there, Nero would've gotten a nice little slap to his face. Maybe you're the one who needs to read the signs in this video. But what do I know? I'm just a glass wearing horny geek...psh

And I apologize that my forum quoting skills aren't as up to date as yours. Forgive me for using "quotations" around your statements. It won't happen again I swear to you a thousand times. Please forgive me and my inferior posting skills.

And you obviously know what's in his mind? I mean since you're such an expert. And Why do you keep bringing up IGN members? I really don't care what the good people at IGN have to say. It's not my fault you got banned. Not that anyone would care. But he still LINGERED on lol as many times as he did look away. Maybe he didn't want her to know. And I never said he liked her, I said he was checking her out. And you're right DMC 3 Dante would've been all over her. He's all over her now as Trish lol.

But I am sorry that I am not a hot shot forum expert like you seem to be. I mean come on. We all can't be pros at the neo seeker quote feature.