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Aug 27, 07 at 9:29am
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Because it appears her powers are the same.

When he sees the person picked up as if on invisible strings Snake probably thinks back to Meryl being controlled by P.Mantis in MGS1.

However that isn't the case as we KNOW that Screaming Mantis is female.
You can tell by the way S.Mantis' body looks.

Plus Psycho dies right in front of our eyes. No emergency operation to save him, Snake actually SEE'S him die.

Besides, another fact that stamps out the possibility of it being Psycho is the narrator of the BATB trailer.

quote BATB trailer
"They Weren't even soldiers to begin with. More like.. Victims of War"
That completely OBLITERATES the possibility of it being Psycho as Psycho WAS a Soldier before MGS4.


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Aug 27, 07 at 9:33am
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I wasn't even suggesting that it was Psycho Mantis.

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Aug 27, 07 at 9:41am
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So why would Snake say "It can't be" while looking at the soldier and then gasp at Mantis?
That sounds like you were heavily implying it.

And besides, my first post was only refreshing you memory of another boss similar to Screaming.

How did we manage to even get to this?


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Aug 27, 07 at 10:21am
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Lol no... Not at all... I was implying that he was saying "It can't be" for a reason other than thinking it was Mantis. Meaning I don't know why he said that.

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Aug 27, 07 at 10:56am
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Snake wouldn't have said it if he had no objections with the guy dieing. Maybe that man is an associate of Snakes? Perhaps an ally on the Militia side? Remember that you can team up with either the PMC or the Militia in MGS4.


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Aug 27, 07 at 11:01am
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quote madman25
I wasn't even suggesting that it was Psycho Mantis.
Sure it does in a sense. You're the one being a fool right now.

If he was merely alluding to the fact that her powers are similar something like "not again" would be more appropriate than "it can't be." Because "it can't be" implies that something that is happening couldn't possibly be happening for all intents and purposes but it still is. So "it can't be" is referring to the fact that Psycho Mantis can't still be alive and Snake is just saying this out of disbelief.
Not that it couldn't be that she can't have the same powers as him, or similar ones. There's definitely a clear connection between her and Psycho Mantis, I believe it goes beyond just the dolls.
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Aug 27, 07 at 11:13am
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I'm going to disregard everything you said after calling me a fool. Now listen to my damn point.

Snake said "It can't be!" when he saw the soldier being killed.

AFTERWARDS he Gasped at the sight of Screaming Mantis.

Meaning? He was NOT saying "It can't be" to Mantis. Because he clearly had not noticed Mantis (He gasped afterwards). Rather my focus is on the Soldier. There is some significance of the way he dies or who he is.

As mentioned above perhaps it's an associate of Snakes. Or maybe as mentioned earlier he simply died in a similar fashion to what Psycho Mantis could do in MGS1.

My guess would be the latter though. Snake has been mistaken similarly in previous games. For example the silhouette of the Vulcan Raven action figure in the Tanker of MGS2.
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Aug 27, 07 at 12:12pm
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I'm thinking he's saying "It can't be!" because the man is taken control of in the same fashion that Meryl was by Psycho.



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Aug 27, 07 at 2:20pm
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First, let me say this:

PsychoPsychoPsychoPsychoPsychoPsychoPsychoPsychoPsycho

NOT Phsyco

Machienzo... mtb... could you please edit the first post to fix this little spelling error before I start flying around shooting missiles shouting "RAGE!!!" like some lunatic B&tB monster?

Second:
quote Xonora
Here's an image of Screaming Mantis (courtesy of the Metal Gear NeoPortal):



You can tell that the dolls do look like Psycho Mantis and The Sorrow (The Sorrow because of his camo pants).

I would of said the Beauty and the Beast unit had nothing to do with FOXHOUND, Dead Cell, or the Cobras other than Liquid Ocelot being nostalgic for his old group to transform/name them that way. From a creative standpoint, it would be more of Mr. Kojima enjoying repetition of theme as he often does.

However, now I'm not sure.... To craft puppets of Psycho Mantis and The Sorrow... how does Screaming even KNOW OF The Sorrow? He's like ancient history by now...

Weren't the Cobras WWII heroes, but in a black-op sense? No fame?

Either Kojima is messing with "the fourth wall" or there is some kind of connection.....


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Aug 27, 07 at 3:53pm
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Where is this evidence they're all girls?

because of the way their suit looks? You can't judge the entre thing like that, and Raging Raven doesn't talk like a girl, nor does he look like one.


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Aug 27, 07 at 4:25pm
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1. Go to their official site. There is a brand new link displaying it all.

2. Or check out the trailers:
quote volacide
They even made a featurette about the women models that were "scanned in" to be the basis of the new squad.

3. Conclusion: Yeah, they are all female.


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Aug 27, 07 at 5:10pm
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I don't normally dig black chicks, but Wolf is hot.

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Aug 27, 07 at 6:34pm
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quote SadXuHuang
Machienzo... mtb... could you please edit the first post to fix this little spelling error before I start flying around shooting missiles shouting "RAGE!!!" like some lunatic B&tB monster?
Done.


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Aug 27, 07 at 6:58pm
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quote sten mk II
Where is this evidence they're all girls?

because of the way their suit looks? You can't judge the entre thing like that, and Raging Raven doesn't talk like a girl, nor does he look like one.
Go to the official site. And Raging Raven isn't even a he.

Scarlett Chorvat = Raging Raven. If you go to the official website you can see Raging Raven in her beauty side.


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Aug 29, 07 at 8:00am
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It's easier to here her woman voice when she yells "Show me your rage!"

Also, if they are all BEAST on the outside, does that mean that there's an actual person inside Crying Wolf robot? Man, I'd be crying too if I was stuck in that.


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