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Topic: Ocelot or Liquid?
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May 15, 08 at 11:33pm
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I wonder why Konami would change that in MGS4?
It's a weird thought that Liquid will have Ocelot's voice now.
You'd think that, even if they wanted to only use Ocelot's voice, they'd still give Liquid the British accent... So we can tell that it's Liquid speaking.



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May 15, 08 at 11:37pm
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quote Gothic Girl
I wonder why Konami would change that in MGS4?
It's a weird thought that Liquid will have Ocelot's voice now.
You'd think that, even if they wanted to only use Ocelot's voice, they'd still give Liquid the British accent... So we can tell that it's Liquid speaking.
No, Liquid has total control over Ocelots body which is why i think he is now called Liquid Ocelot.



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May 15, 08 at 11:58pm
re: Ocelot or Liquid?

That doesn't mean he'd stop talking with a British accent though.
He might have a different voice-box, but his pronounciation of words would remain the same.



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May 16, 08 at 12:13am
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I get what you mean. The only explanation i can give is that Ocelot is like a puppet now, just a body but Liquid has taken over his movements and mind.



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quote Gothic Girl
That doesn't mean he'd stop talking with a British accent though.
He might have a different voice-box, but his pronounciation of words would remain the same.
I think Kojima always wanted Liquid to sound like Ocelot when he possessed him. It didn't really make any sense to sound the same in a different body but I guess it was easier to explain to the viewer 'Hey that's Liquid voice! He's alive!!'. I'll miss Cam Clarkes voice acting tho..



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May 16, 08 at 6:41am
re: Ocelot or Liquid?

Sure, it didn't make sense that Liquid's (Cam Clarke's) voice is coming out of Ocelot's body.

But it makes even less sense that Liquid has lost his British accent now that he has completely taken over Ocelot's body. He might be talking through Ocelot now, but his accent shouldn't have changed.
Maybe the localization team should tell Patric Zimmerman (Ocelot's voice-actor) to do a British accent. I'd get a laugh out of that. XD



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If we're going to judge Liquid's voice on nothing more than whether it makes sense or not, then we should just call the entire thing stupid. The ability for somebody to be able to take over another person's body doesn't make sense. Looking at Vamp, Mantis, the B&B Unit... I don't think that "making sense" is top on Kojima's to-do list.



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re: Ocelot or Liquid?

Does anyone know the reasoning behind Cam Clarke not being in this game? The person who does the Japanese voice of Liquid is doing the game(although this could only be because the original Japanese voice of Ocelot is dead), so I figured the original English voice of Liquid would be back.



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May 16, 08 at 2:03pm
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Does anyone know the reasoning behind Cam Clarke not being in this game?
quote WikiPedia
Cam Clarke, who performed the voice of Liquid Snake in the first two Metal Gear Solid games, will not be a part of the Metal Gear Solid 4 cast. The role of Liquid Ocelot was given to Patric Zimmerman, the voice of Revolver Ocelot.
Kris Zimmerman, denying allegations of nepotism, has clarified that Kojima always intended for the character to use Ocelot's voice.
This is the only reason why I think.



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May 16, 08 at 3:08pm
re: Ocelot or Liquid?

Yeah, I've read that before, but I'd really like to know the reasoning for that. I mean Cam Clarke was in MGS2, and it's kinda weird he won't be used for MGS4.



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I like to see both



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May 16, 08 at 4:24pm
re: Ocelot or Liquid?

quote IndependantMOFO
I mean Cam Clarke was in MGS2, and it's kinda weird he won't be used for MGS4.
Well, I personally think it had something to do because if they didn't use Cam's voice, for Liquid to be shown, then people might get confused about it, or they will probably think that Ocelot is acting like Liquid, and is impersonating him.
Or people might say, why Everyone(Snake, Meryl, Otacon etc) immediately believes it's Liquid standing there in Ocelot's body, if Ocelot seems like impersonating Liquid.
But using Cam's voice for Liquid Fully in MGS4 will look strange coming out of Ocelot's mouth, especially in these kind of graphics of the PS3.
Cam is a perfect Liquid, but seeing a bunch of clips of MGS4, with Liquid Ocelot in it voiced by Patrick Zimmerman, seems to me that Patrick is acting perfectly like Liquid, with the "Brother!!!!!" and the evil laughing, and screaming "Die Sssnnnnake!" also works pretty well with Ocelot's voice.
Maybe not with a British accent, but I don't think Kris will demand so much from a voice actor, even if she was married with Patrick for 9 years some long time ago.
Patrick has to speak like Ocelot, and has to act like Liquid, and while add it, give it a British accent as well.
Maybe Patrick tried with a British accent, and it might didn't work out that good, wouldn't sound right, and in MGS games the voice acting is usually perfect, and not slobby.
Would be funny if Cam did it with a Scottish accent, now that would be hard for someone like Patrick if that's the case, but Patrick might not have that talent to speak with a British accent, so they just scrap it, and let it just be like Ocelot, but in Liquid's attitude.
That way it also works perfectly.
Because it also has to sound like the accent is spoken in a natural way, and not like in a "trying to be British" way, right?



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May 16, 08 at 4:25pm
re: Ocelot or Liquid?

I agree with Funaki, however, I doubt we'll be seeing a lot of ocelot in this game, I think we'll be mostly seeing liquid since this is all his plan after all..



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May 16, 08 at 9:31pm
re: Ocelot or Liquid?

quote Stitch
...and in MGS games the voice acting is usually perfect, and not slobby.
Then I guess you never played TTS then...



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re: Ocelot or Liquid?

As reaver11 pointed out, The Twin Snakes has had the worst voice acting out of all the MGS games..

They removed Mei Ling's accent and the voice acting just feels robotic with no emotions put into it, unlike the one in the classic version of the game..



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