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Mega Shuppet Super Sand Lesbian Resident Neo total posts: 3025 since: Apr 2006	Jul 03, 08 at 12:43pm ^ re: Will the "Wii is for kids" stereotype ever go away?
	Log in to remove this sponsored message I don't think it will because a lot of noobs out there have a blind hatred for nintendo before actually sitting down (or standing up) and playing it. But still, look at the Wii Fit. It and Wii Sports have both made a lot of adults join the gaming phenomenon. My grandma for example, is addicted to Wii Sports Bowling. -------------------
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Blacknight Resident Neo total posts: 2845 since: Jun 2008	Jul 03, 08 at 7:27pm ^ re: Will the "Wii is for kids" stereotype ever go away?
	quote mega_shuppet But still, look at the Wii Fit. It and Wii Sports have both made a lot of adults join the gaming phenomenon. My grandma for example, is addicted to Wii Sports Bowling. Yea! And hospitals and nursing homes buy these games 4 physical therapy and 2 ensure their patients get their excercise. So if u look at it hard enough, Nintendo is the prize gem of the video game industry.
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Miss Razz ... CruisiN' since: Sep 2003	Jul 04, 08 at 12:50am ^ re: Will the "Wii is for kids" stereotype ever go away?
	quote Blacknight quote mega_shuppet But still, look at the Wii Fit. It and Wii Sports have both made a lot of adults join the gaming phenomenon. My grandma for example, is addicted to Wii Sports Bowling. Yea! And hospitals and nursing homes buy these games 4 physical therapy and 2 ensure their patients get their excercise. So if u look at it hard enough, Nintendo is the prize gem of the video game industry. If the Wii Fit and Wii Sports is what makes Nintendo the prize gem of the video game industry, then we can all start worrying for video games. Quite frankly, Nintendo needs less Wii Fits and more games to please their long-time fans. ------------------- \| GACKT \|
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Akira_EX #BostonStrong Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14976 neopoints: 15605 GameGrep pts: 25371 since: Sep 2001	Jul 04, 08 at 1:27am ^ re: Will the "Wii is for kids" stereotype ever go away?
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Miss Razz ... CruisiN' since: Sep 2003	Jul 04, 08 at 1:36am ^ re: Will the "Wii is for kids" stereotype ever go away?
	You can say that as much as you want. But when third-party devs start leaving Nintendo and fans start getting sick of Nintendo's small group of solid first-party titles, and all Nintendo has left is it's "new age" gamers who think that the epitome of gaming is Wii Fit and Brain Age, then we'll all be humming a different tune. Just wait. If Nintendo don't pick up their act, it'll happen. You wouldn't see devs getting pissed off at Nintendo if it weren't starting to happen already. ------------------- \| GACKT \|
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Blacknight Resident Neo total posts: 2845 since: Jun 2008	Jul 04, 08 at 1:38am ^ re: Will the "Wii is for kids" stereotype ever go away?
	quote Gothic Girl If the Wii Fit and Wii Sports is what makes Nintendo the prize gem of the video game industry, then we can all start worrying for video games. Wat i mean is that Nintendo makes games that every1 can enjoy and can help people. Honestly, just bcuz a games got great graphics or good on-line play doesnt make it the best. Its games that appeal 2 every1 that make Nintendo loved and trusted by every1. PS3s and 360s r alrite 4 sum people but not all of them. Games like Nintendo makes r creating a new gamer category that no other company has even dreamed of: the senior citizen. All the games we like r generally in the child/adolescent/adult category. But Nintendo is creating games that aim at all 4. And thats wat makes them the "prized gem" of the gaming industry. quote Gothic Girl Quite frankly, Nintendo needs less Wii Fits and more games to please their long-time fans I dont no bout u but i satisfied with the games ive got now. Nintendos already released sequels 2 almost every classic franchise and r working on the others. Just b patient and ull get ur wish.
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Akira_EX #BostonStrong Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14976 neopoints: 15605 GameGrep pts: 25371 since: Sep 2001	Jul 04, 08 at 1:39am ^ re: Will the "Wii is for kids" stereotype ever go away?
	So, if third party developers leave Nintendo, where are they gonna go? Japan in particular. ------------------- Play-Asia!
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Blacknight Resident Neo total posts: 2845 since: Jun 2008	Jul 04, 08 at 2:01am ^ re: Will the "Wii is for kids" stereotype ever go away?
	quote Gothic Girl You wouldn't see devs getting pissed off at Nintendo if it weren't starting to happen already. The only reason the 3rd party devs r pissed at Nintendo IMO, is bcuz the wii is 2 advanced 4 them 2 keep up. Theyre used 2 the old joystick and button mashing style of gameplay that was wat all games were based off of. Nintendos unique style of gameplay is pissing them off bcuz they cant convert 2 that. quote Gothic Girl If Nintendo don't pick up their act, it'll happen. No it wont! Nintendo should keep doing wat their doing and soon itll evolve in2 sumthing possibly twice as good and sales will sky rocket! And when the 3rd party devs c that, theyll b begging Nintendo 2 get back in. quote Akira_EX So, if third party developers leave Nintendo, where are they gonna go? 2 the PS3 of course! Nothings changed with Sonys gameplay since the days of the PSX. The only big development theyve made is going portable. And Nintendo did that a LOOOOOONG time ago.
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bbb7002004 Boo-ya-ka-sha! (moderator) General Nintendo 3DS since: Oct 2003	Jul 04, 08 at 2:27am ^ re: Will the "Wii is for kids" stereotype ever go away?
	Wii really needs a good, marketable 3rd party game, because we honestly haven't seen one yet. All the third party efforts have either been: a. Casual stuff like Carnival Games and Guitar Hero b. Crap like Red Steel, Manhunt, and the Shovelware or c. Too niche to gain a mass audience, like Z&W, NMH, and inevitably Fatal Frame 4. That's why I really want The Conduit to be good. If marketed correctly, it should have mass market appeal and really prove whether or not good 3rd party games can sell on Wii, assuming Nintendo doesn't pick the game up. ------------------- General Wii U \| General 3DS
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superblah forum junky total posts: 88 since: Jan 2008	Jul 04, 08 at 3:32am ^ re: Will the "Wii is for kids" stereotype ever go away?
	quote Blacknight Wat i mean is that Nintendo makes games that every1 can enjoy and can help people. Honestly, just bcuz a games got great graphics or good on-line play doesnt make it the best. Its games that appeal 2 every1 that make Nintendo loved and trusted by every1. PS3s and 360s r alrite 4 sum people but not all of them. Games like Nintendo makes r creating a new gamer category that no other company has even dreamed of: the senior citizen. All the games we like r generally in the child/adolescent/adult category. But Nintendo is creating games that aim at all 4. And thats wat makes them the "prized gem" of the gaming industry. Creating games for people who have never played video games is perfectly fine, but it seems like they've started paying too much attention to this group. If Nintendo started developing games like the classics we've been seeing in the past, then that would be great. I just think in Nintendo's effort to appeal to people of all ages, they have actually become more narrow-minded and focusing just a little too much on the extra money they get with their wider, non-gaming audience. As Gothic Girl said, quote Gothic Girl when third-party devs start leaving Nintendo and fans start getting sick of Nintendo's small group of solid first-party titles, and all Nintendo has left is it's "new age" gamers who think that the epitome of gaming is Wii Fit and Brain Age, then we'll all be humming a different tune. So all I want is more difficulty and more variety in Nintendo's games, but not as much variety in their targeted age groups.
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Blacknight Resident Neo total posts: 2845 since: Jun 2008	Jul 04, 08 at 3:58am ^ re: Will the "Wii is for kids" stereotype ever go away?
	quote superblah it seems like they've started paying too much attention to this group No they havent! Nintendo is still making their classic franchises and theyve been making alot of mature games like Conduit available on the wii! Nintendo is doing everything that they promised 2 do. Start a revolution in the gaming industry. That was their plan from day 1 and theyve been stickin 2 it. quote superblah So all I want is more difficulty and more variety in Nintendo's games How much more variety r u wantin? A complete library of Nintendos games should b bside the word variety in the dictionary. quote superblah but not as much variety in their targeted age groups. If they were 2 do that, then we would b here a coupla monthes later discussing the thread "Will the 'Wii is for Hadcore Gamers' Stereotype Ever Go Away?"
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superblah forum junky total posts: 88 since: Jan 2008	Jul 04, 08 at 4:25am ^ re: Will the "Wii is for kids" stereotype ever go away?
	quote Blacknight quote superblah it seems like they've started paying too much attention to this group No they havent! Nintendo is still making their classic franchises and theyve been making alot of mature games like Conduit available on the wii! Nintendo is doing everything that they promised 2 do. Start a revolution in the gaming industry. That was their plan from day 1 and theyve been stickin 2 it. Just because the games are available on the Wii, doesn't mean they're going to break the stereotype (which is what this thread is about). I have high hopes for the Conduit, but the same cannot be said about Nintendo atm. I'm not denying they haven't started a revolution, but they haven't been using it in ways they could have recently. TP and MP3 were great, but I'm just hoping more of these kinds of games will be announced at E3, and definitely not more Wii Fit kind of games. Again, I have nothing against them, but the balance between casual and more dedicated gamers is shifting. quote Blacknight quote superblah So all I want is more difficulty and more variety in Nintendo's games How much more variety r u wantin? A complete library of Nintendos games should b bside the word variety in the dictionary. What I mean by variety is new series, and new ways of playing their classic series. And also, revisiting old series would be ideal. I haven't played SM Sunshine or SM64, but I've heard Galaxy's core gameplay was similar. The Wiimote addition was good, and it wasn't overused. But if Nintendo could just make something totally unique to the Wii, then I'd be happy. Even if they slapped Mario's name on it to promote it, then it's still be better than a Galaxy sequel that was just a different way of playing the same thing. quote Blacknight quote superblah but not as much variety in their targeted age groups. If they were 2 do that, then we would b here a coupla monthes later discussing the thread "Will the 'Wii is for Hadcore Gamers' Stereotype Ever Go Away?" I think that's an exaggeration. Just because Nintendo releases more teen-oriented games doesn't mean they'll only be for hardcore gamers (though there is apparently no concrete definition for 'hardcore' anyway). Imo, hardcore gamers are just more interested in video games than casual gamers. And not just games like Wii Fit, but somewhere in between traditional and Wii-unique. So, if Nintendo slows down the extra attention on seniors a bit, and refocuses on their older (older as in long-time) fans, then my wishes will be filled.
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Miss Razz ... CruisiN' since: Sep 2003	Jul 04, 08 at 4:39am ^ re: Will the "Wii is for kids" stereotype ever go away?
	quote Akira_EX So, if third party developers leave Nintendo, where arthey gonna go? Japan in particular. Err ... Sony and Microsoft? Y'know, the companies who support their third-parties. quote Blacknight theyve been making alot of mature games like Conduit available on the wii! So? One game doesn't constitute a "variety" nor does it constite as "alot of mature games". There is a handful of mature Wii games at most, and they are buried under the piles of Nintendo's casual games. Games like Okami, No More Heroes, Fatal Frame IV, etc. just aren't selling well or getting well publisized because Nintendo are doing nothing to support their third-party developers. And saying that they are "letting mature games on the Wii" doesn't mean much, because they are letting anything on the Wii, including crappy shovelware (which is what the majority of games on Wii are). quote Nothings changed with Sonys gameplay since the days of the PSX. The only big development theyve made is going portable. And Nintendo did that a LOOOOOONG time ago. No offense, but that's one of the most moronic things I've ever read on this site. As for your belief that companies aren't making games for the Wii because the Wii is too "advanced" ... are you serious? The Wii is the cheapest and easiest console to make games for. Why the hell do you think so much shit and shovelware gets onto the console? Because Nintendo allows it and because it's so cheap. quote Blacknight How much more variety r u wantin? A complete library of Nintendos games should b bside the word variety in the dictionary. You can't be serious. The Wii is the least varied game console in this-gen. Why is that? Because they only support their own first-party titles. What are the Wii's biggest titles? another Mario, another Metroid, another Zelda (though its a port), another Super Smash, etc. Yeah, great variety If they wanted variety, they would be supporting their third-party devs who have new ideas and make different genre games. While Microsoft and Sony embrace the diversity of their third-party games and devs, Nintendo completely shuns their own third-party devs. Even the third-party titles Nintendo are publishing are getting NO marketing! At all! People want variety, and fans are starting to realize that Nintendo ain't gonna deliver it. [color=#666666]This message was edited by Gothic Girl on Jul 04 2008. ------------------- \| GACKT \|
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Blacknight Resident Neo total posts: 2845 since: Jun 2008	Jul 04, 08 at 4:58am ^ re: Will the "Wii is for kids" stereotype ever go away?
	quote superblah Just because the games are available on the Wii, doesn't mean they're going to break the stereotype (which is what this thread is about) U would b rite about not breaking the stereotype if u had said COMPLETELY. (And yes i no wat the threads about) But they will break it in the mind of sum gamers. quote superblah TP and MP3 were great, but I'm just hoping more of these kinds of games will be announced at E3, and definitely not more Wii Fit kind of games. I think that theyll hopefully b done with those wii fit games 4 awhile. And i bet theyre gonna announce sumthin good. quote superblah Again, I have nothing against them, but the balance between casual and more dedicated gamers is shifting. It is. But thats only 2 gain more dedicated gamers. quote superblah What I mean by variety is new series, and new ways of playing their classic series. Theyve been doin that 2! REVOLUTION! Thats wat Nintendos been doin! Bsides, if they change it 2 much, those "dedicated gamers" will b disappoited and then ull b complaining about that! quote superblah I think that's an exaggeration. Just because Nintendo releases more teen-oriented games doesn't mean they'll only be for hardcore gamers Is it? Nintendo is about 1 of the shiftiest gaming companies. So its only natural that it has shifty fans. If Nintendo focuses 2 much on the teen gen then the others will b disappointed and 1 of em will say that. The most used def of hardcore btw closely resembles the games MOST teens play. quote superblah So, if Nintendo slows down the extra attention on seniors a bit, and refocuses on their older (older as in long-time) fans, then my wishes will be filled. U sound like me awhile back. In fact, u sound like every other long time fan. We always feel neglected when we play the crap out of our games and theres no new 1s on the market. Its only natural that we feel this way. But the key is 2 b patient. If we wait just a liiiiiitle longer, we'll get our wish and then we wouldnt dare 2 say anythin bad about Nintendo. Then, we play the crap outta that game, and the cycle begins anew.
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Akira_EX #BostonStrong Permanently Plugged In total posts: 14976 neopoints: 15605 GameGrep pts: 25371 since: Sep 2001	Jul 04, 08 at 7:04am ^ re: Will the "Wii is for kids" stereotype ever go away?
	quote Gothic Girl quote Akira_EX So, if third party developers leave Nintendo, where arthey gonna go? Japan in particular. Err ... Sony and Microsoft? Y'know, the companies who support their third-parties. Nintendo is under no obligation to aid third parties, because they still have to put capital to their own development projects and R&D. What Nintendo has done, however, is set a stage where it is possible for a game to do well. With a relatively lower budget, you do not need to sell a million to get a profit. Japan is headed to a DS/Wii future. The only software that now sells currently in Japan are those for Nintendo's consoles; there are no breakaway hits, but most just do "good enough" to make it somewhat viable. You can't ignore the Wii's burgeoning install base: Wii 6,267,090, PS3: 2,175,021, 360: 574,747. For those developers stuck developing to Japan-only, Wii is the only real financially-viable option. You're obvious not going to make money going 360-only, unless the game is stupidly popular like Idolm@ster, or you are being moneyhatted (Mistwalker). PS3 could be viable, but software isn't selling. The only PS3 games to break the top ten in the past couple months were MGS4 and DBZ Burst Limit. The only 360 game to break the top ten in the past couple months was Gundam: Operation Troy, and that was this week. Besides, even if third parties wanted to run away to the PS3/360 to avoid competition from Nintendo, they can't. They'd still be competing with Nintendo. quote Gothic Girl quote Blacknight theyve been making alot of mature games like Conduit available on the wii! So? One game doesn't constitute a "variety" nor does it constite as "alot of mature games". There is a handful of mature Wii games at most, and they are buried under the piles of Nintendo's casual games. Games like Okami, No More Heroes, Fatal Frame IV, etc. just aren't selling well or getting well publisized because Nintendo are doing nothing to support their third-party developers. And saying that they are "letting mature games on the Wii" doesn't mean much, because they are letting anything on the Wii, including crappy shovelware (which is what the majority of games on Wii are). quote Blacknight How much more variety r u wantin? A complete library of Nintendos games should b bside the word variety in the dictionary. You can't be serious. The Wii is the least varied game console in this-gen. Why is that? Because they only support their own first-party titles. What are the Wii's biggest titles? another Mario, another Metroid, another Zelda (though its a port), another Super Smash, etc. Yeah, great variety If they wanted variety, they would be supporting their third-party devs who have new ideas and make different genre games. While Microsoft and Sony embrace the diversity of their third-party games and devs, Nintendo completely shuns their own third-party devs. Even the third-party titles Nintendo are publishing are getting NO marketing! At all! People want variety, and fans are starting to realize that Nintendo ain't gonna deliver it. Nintendo did exactly the same thing with the DS: their games sold like gangbusters, and for the most part, it was only their games at the beginning. Now, we're at the stage where the DS is the top system in Japan, and Nintendo hasn't really done much recently, letting the third parties do the work and do well enough. The variety was provided by third-parties: like every other system out there. Besides, the current Wii library is pretty varied already. Think back to the first year of the DS: what dominated? Brain Training, Mario Kart DS, etc. => Nintendo games. What did people think would happen? The PSP would beat out the DS. Flash forward to the present: third parties have finally caught on these past couple of years and now are doing well on the system. This hasn't held true for the PSP, where the only truly successful game is Monster Hunter Portable. Hardware units are going out, but software isn't going with them. At the same time, why do Microsoft and Sony open their arms up to third parties? Because they don't develop games in-house. Essentially all of their games are second or third-party. Now Sony might have their own development studio somewhere, but it sure isn't having much of an impact. Microsoft Games Studios is only a label that has a bunch of second-parties under it. Regarding the "anything" part: The same was done for the PS2. Hell, it's still getting those type of games. It's building a library: dubious overall quality, I'll give you that, but a large library with lots of support.. Besides, 20 million PS2s didn't go all to the "hardcore", I can guarantee that. Also, give me proof of some sort of mass exodus. I'm looking at the numbers, and I'm not seeing it. It's one thing to play armchair analysis. It's another to give unsubstantiated claims. ------------------- Play-Asia!
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