I have been trying to find these two aces. I think i've seen spatz appear outside the combat area but then can't find him. Is he blended in with the su 27s in mission 12? Or does he show up in the area with the neutralized planes?Also, Grani is supposed to show up in mission 13 after destroying sector 3. Where should he show up?
Thanks for any help

(Okay, something has changed here at the forums, and for some reason, I'm not being allowed to log in)

Plane : F-35C Spatz
Difficulty : Normal
Ace Style : Mercenary
Description : Destroy all the bombers. Appears with the TGT Su-27s at the
latter part of the mission.
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Plane : YF-23A Grani
Difficulty : Easy
Ace Style : All
Description : Destroy all enemy units at sector 3 to make him spawn.

I finally gvot Grani, but i can't get spatz. I already knew thoses instruction. I just want to know where spatz is. i never see him

(Mind you,you should be in Mercenary Ace style.)

You can't miss him. After you destroy all the bombers, and the nukes go off, Pixy starts firing on you, and several targets come from the top. He's the green plane on your radar... right in the middle of the group of red targets.

This message was edited by jack_blaguar on Jun 26 2006.

i think there's something wrong iwth my game. He never has shown up when i met all the required conditions. Do i have to uze a specific aircraft or a certain amount of points ?I'm really frustrated. I've tried like 20 times with no result. Sorry to annoy anyone

I've played that mission (apocalypse..) in all levels/styles, destroying all bombers and still no Spatz. I think I'm glitched too and have already started a new game...

i had the same problem with spatz not being there, but he showed up after i had gotten every other ace. i dont know if this helps at all, but that's how i got him.

i did that pod 22. it finally worked. But now i have another problem. I can't seem to get the s rank for 17. Ive got way more than 18000 points but still haven't gotten the s rank. Do i also have to get it done within a certain time

I've had no problem doing that, but I pretty much blasted everything in sight. I mean, if you take out all the targets, and shoot down the ace, and finish it before time runs out, it should be in-the-bag. (Early on, I cut the time pretty close, and I still got an "S" rank, so I don't think time is all too important, as long as you don't let it reach zero.

You should be able to even miss a few planes and still get "S".

wait, does the difficulty have anything to do with what planes u unlock?

Absolutely

In order to find Spatz u need to destroy all the MIG-31s, F-15s, and all the bombers before they can escape. Well that is how it works for me because i had a same problem with it. I need help w/ MIG-31 Riese. I already tried to shoot down 3 MIG-21 and 1 MIG 31 Squadron and score atleast 10,000 on Ace mode and it is mercenary style but didn't work.