Character Dueling: Character Thread - Page 2

quote Coognut in the rules discussion thread

quote chappy27

anyway, they need a limit, cause there not gonna say.
i fired 30xarrows in a row.remember each arrrow you fire thats one marksman level up.win 4 matches and you got 4 arrows. see how much easier it is to level up when you have more arrows to fire. if you fired 10x arrows during a fight. that means thats 10 levels.i know what you were thinking when you made that reply but im sure you understand,coog
...remember each spell is like the marksman. each spell you cast is a level up.

No, I don't understand how you think that is fair, similar to the real game, or even reasonable. That is so far from reality for the real game that I do not even know how to say it any clearer. One arrow levels up your skill? One spell? C'mon... that's completely ridiculous and no fun at all! I really believe you are being too specific with this, you are over-thinking the rules Chappy. Someone that likes to play an archer character is not gonna simply carry one arrow into their first fight. Lighten up on the specifics here and let that part go to the roleplaying. We aren't going to give someone credit that says they fired 30 arrows at one time without having to take other actions while firing anyways, think about it... And as far as leveling up skills I thought you just got 5-10 skill levels to distribute however you want if you win a fight:

quote Krantos on page 4

3. Winner levels up loser dies. The Losing player can then either make a new character or resubmit the old character back at level one. Leveling up allows players ten skill points to distribute at will, and 3 attribute points. These will be stackable, even attribute points. And you only fight opponents at your level.

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quote chappy27

with the magic youll probably kill people with like 2 spells anyway.

"Probably"??? You do not seem to have ever played as a mage or an archer. What you are proposing is not only non-realistic, but it is no fun at all for mage and archer character types. What if duelists want to say something like: " ...I kept firing arrows at (my enemy) as I dodged over and around the fallen logs and underbrush..."??? You are basically forcing everyone to play like a warrior:

quote chappy27

besides, im sure you picked a weapon, right?

_{"yeah, I picked a bow and five attack spells cause that is the type of character I play..." -LoL}

Some characters will not even carry a melee weapon cause it is not what they do. Forcing everyone to mostly use melee weapons sucks the diversity (and fun) out of the dueling. LAME...!!!

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quote Kalin Velothi

For mages, magic can be used. But you can only have like 3 different spells maybe.

e.g: Shocking Touch, Heal minor wounds and chameleon 30%

Kalin, I am willing to bet that almost all dueling characters will want to use some magic whether they are primarily a mage or not. Even in the real game every character created starts with a couple spells to use and some magicka. Actual mages need a whole lot more magic/spells to use because it is the nature of how they play.

Seriously Kalin, please read this:

quote Coognut

quote Platypusburger

Just a few more questions/suggestions:

1. How about we allow each duelist a Maximum of 3 Spells to use in any given fight, to avoid an issue with uber-mages. Of course, the spells could only be cast if the duelist was of the proper skill level (Novice, Journeyman, Expert, etc.).

quote Kalin Velothi

I think the magic thing is a good idea, but we should perfect the idea of it. Lets discuss in this thread, I want to reserve the Character Thread for Character discussions.

Whoa whoa whoa, you can't say mages can only use three spells, magic is how they fight and how they play to survive. Just because you don't like that mages are powerful cause of magic doesn't mean you don't let them use magic any more than you say a warrior cannot use a strong sword, or a thief cannot sneak for more than 3 seconds at a time, it's just not proper... There is already going to be a limit on experience\skill levels so that will keep the mages from using master level destruction spells at level 1 or anything silly. Beyond that though, if you don't like getting owned by a mage that duels intelligently with magic then tough luck, get a mage of your own if you think you need to. At lower experience levels mages can be fought on equal terms easily by other characters, at higher levels it will be tougher for other types to take out smart mages but that is the nature of how Oblivion really functions. I prefer mages for example because at a high experience level I can have unparalleled amounts of power. That is the nature of magic: it's magic! And even at a high experience level there are ways to nullify the advantages of attack magic like using reflect spell enchantments and stuff like that. You have to be a very smart warrior to go up against a master wizard and expect to win. I don't think that is too much to ask for....

I say we only limit mages by their skill/experience levels (like any other type of character) as to what they could realistically use. Since I am a judge and am very experienced using mages I can assure you that I will not let a mage get away with saying they are doing something unrealistic...

You simply cannot limit a mage to three spells and expect them to still play like a real mage. Warriors have three spells for gosh sakes, think about this harder please Kalin.

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quote chappy27

thoses rules are a bit simple put a link to my set of rules if anyone needs a better understanding of how the game works.

quote Kalin Velothi

Could you maybe post a more in depth section of your rules here. I'll post them on the Dueling Thread where the Battles will take place and credit them to you.

Look, Chappy, I can appreciate your confidence in thinking the rules you come up with are good. But please understand that just because you think it should be a certain way does not mean for sure that it will be as you want it to be.

Kalin: The rules need to be agreed upon by more than one person, please don't just take whatever Chappy says as set-in-stone rules. Chappy alone should not be allowed to have the final say on how dueling is gonna work with some or all of the rules.

Don't get me wrong here: Chappy has some good ideas, but he also has some horrible ideas as well that have the potential of driving a good amount of ppl away from wanting to duel. That is why we need a group effort, otherwise this dueling is not gonna go very far due to many ppl not agreeing with one-sided thinking that determined some rules...

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Guys, I know it is fun to make rules and have power over what other ppl are allowed and not allowed to do. But you need to check that natural urge to obtain power and instead try to make the least amount of rules necessary to ensure that the dueling will work easily and properly. The more rules you make the less likely ppl are going to want to participate in this dueling. Ppl do not want to have to check the rules every second while typing their imagined combat to see if they are following this rule or that rule. Please leave it as simple as possible and don't make ppl feel over burdened by very specific rules...

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quote chappy27

so im guessing your not participating sj?

quote ShadowJ

nope I will not be participating,

quote chappy27

shadowj, you used to play morrowind, right.
that is a game that relys on stats and skills.
you liked it didnt you?

By saying that Chappy it appears like you are still trying to get ShadowJ to participate in the dueling. If that is indeed your goal then please consider that he already said he does not want to participate, and he also said this earlier:

quote ShadowJ

... Normally I would have closed this since you are all butchering what I love most, which is roleplaying but I'll let it go for now.

So (if you are still trying to get ShadowJ to participate) please stop pressuring him before he changes his mind and does decide to close down these threads...

quote Kalin Velothi

Rules have been edited to be more deep, you should find them to cover all aspects.

quote Kalin Velothi

Skills


Intelligence: Your ability to cast magic.
Example of Intelligence: The opponent wondered around unaware that you were about to cast a devastating spell.
You charge the ball of fire in your hand and unleashes a fireball.

Willpower: Your power of spells
Example of Willpower: You clambered to the left after a swift strike from your opponents dagger. You use your power of will to heal your wound.

quote Kalin Velothi

Agility: Your ability to dodge an attack performed by an opponent and how swiftly you attack.
Example of Agility: The opponent thrusts his sword at you but you swiftly dodge to the left.

Speed: Your speed in combat, also how quickly you attack.
Example of Speed: You dodge your opponents attack and realize that its your opportunity for a counter attack. You grab your dagger and thrust it into his heart.

quote Kalin Velothi

Personality: Your ability to taunt the opponent and anger him, making him come out of his hiding spot in a frenzy.
Example of Personality: Your much more sneaky opponent hides in ambush waiting for you, but you taunt him. He cant handle it anymore and runs out trying to kill you losing his hiding spot.

quote Kalin Velothi

Luck: Your luck during combat.
Example of Luck: You walk around aimlessly bow in hand.
You stumble across a hill with the perfect height to fire an arrow from. Your opponent wonders under the hill, unaware of your presence.