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Netskimmer
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Since when do ninja use Katana?
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A ninja sword is short and usually strait, the scabbard is pointed at the end and the hand guard or tsuba is square. So why is this famous "ninja" sword Ryu uses a katana. It should also be noted that you cannot wear a katana on your back because YOU CANNOT DRAW A KATANA THAT IS STRAPPED TO YOUR BACK!!! The blade is too long. I know I've tried.
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Netskimmer
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Hmmmm.. Round tsuba, 3 and a half foot curved blade...if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck... Besides, even if it isn't a katana, is definitely not a ninja sword.
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Netskimmer
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Still... for it to be the "family sword" you would think it would be a ninja sword. But that doesn't really make sense either due to the fact that ninjas did not hold their swords in high regard like samurai; they were merely tools like all their other weapons. In fact their swords were usually cheaply made and of inferior workmanship compared to samurai swords.
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Netskimmer
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Ninja used guerrilla warfare, they where cultural outcasts who lived in the mountains with no access to professional sword makers or high quality materials. The Shinto religion played a big part in their lives. They worshipped earth and nature and had no special reverence for swords.
The fact still remains that weather he should be using a katana or not, it is physically impossible to draw a katana from your back.
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Netskimmer
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I'm talking about REAL ninja. You know the kind that doesn't go around killing tanks single-handed. It just seems that this game does not represent true ninjutsu.
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Netskimmer
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The fact that anything is possible in a game is just a copout. By that reasoning he could be running around smacking people with giant banana peels. Infinite possibilities work best when grounded with some sense of logic and realism. Besides, if you watch him put his sword back in it's scabbard, the first foot or so just phases into the scabbard because they could not find a way around the physics. It just kind of ruins the illusion of the reality in the game.
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Netskimmer
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Are you typing with one hand or something? I get your point, just shut up and enjoy the game. It's just that little things like that bug me.
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Netskimmer
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I also wouldn't say I'm enjoying the game, trying to get master ninja on all levels is more than a little difficult.
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Netskimmer
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I'm getting there
slowly. Well it's 1:30am here and I have to be at work tomorrow
or today
whatever, I need to get some sleep. It's been fun, see you later
or type you later
whatever. Bye.
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Netskimmer
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There are some things they can get away with and others they can't. I like to use the "movie test" when looking at games. Say Hollywood made a Ninja Gaiden movie, if Ryu ran along a wall to get over a gap no one would care, but if the movie skipped a frame every time he drew his sword or returned it to his scabbard because the actors arm wasn't long enough people would have a fit.
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Netskimmer
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Well
now that ninja master p has gotten off his soapbox, allow me to respond. quoteyou can't kill someone with damn toothpick Those unlucky enough to see the blade of a real ninja's "toothpick" rarely lived to talk about it. quoteIf your going to criticize don't play the game Gamer feedback, both likes and dislikes are vital to game developers and the evolution of the games, the don't rock the boat conformist crap your peddling is useless at best. I payed for the game, I like the game, and I'd like to give possible improvements for the next one. It is my right as a gamer and a paying customer. P.S. If you'd taken the time to read my other posts to this thread you would know that I have no problem with fantasy as long as it fits the context.
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Netskimmer
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The idea of ninja as "fallen samurai" is one of many. I've also heard that the first ninja where actually Chinese immigrants fleeing after the rebellion. In any case the chance of a ninja using a katana does not seem as remote as I my have once thought. Thanks to Tidezen for the interesting reading material. The thought that ninja where samurai who followed their hearts and conscience rather than their oppressive daimyo is both romantic and quite intriguing. I didn't mean to start such a controversy with this post but I think it's been a positive experience and I stand corrected about my initial statement. I still wish he'd wear the darn thing on his waste though. 
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Netskimmer
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What weapon are you referring to Mario?
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Netskimmer
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I hope for your sake your joking. Ryu's Dragon Sword is a normal sized katana, approx 3 ft. in length. If a katana was supposed to be 3 times that
well let's do the math shall we? 3x3=9 that would make the average katana 9ft long. And you think I need to learn my swords?
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Netskimmer
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Ok, when you say size, with swords that generally means length and blade width. Both of these look just fine. Which measurement are you referring to?
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Netskimmer
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go to google.com and type katana and see what comes up.
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Netskimmer
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Ok... type in katana sword.
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Netskimmer
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What site did you go to so I can read what they have to say myself? According to this: http://www.thewebcollection.com/practicalA Hanwei IS a katana, and further more it's LARGER than a regular katana with a smaller curve.
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Netskimmer
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Thanks Darknet, but I wanted Mario's sword collector's site.
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Netskimmer
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That looks like a cool site Shoto, I'm going to register there. It asks for a referrer, is your name Shoto there too?
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That would explain why I could only find a reference to it on that sword seller's website.
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Netskimmer
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Who are you yelling at?
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E-Budo is a cool site. I was disheartened to hear about Frank Dux being a fraud, I trained very shortly with a former student (about 3 weeks) of his back in '96 and he spoke so highly of him. 
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Netskimmer
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Yeah, I know what you mean. All those flowery kicks of his are more likely to tear your groin than hurt your apponent. 
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Netskimmer, same as here. I usually use the same name everywhere...unless I want anonymity 
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Netskimmer
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We've already put this topic to bed sport. Incidentally, you might want to actually read the other posts in this thread as they already deal with the few points you made that actually had anything to do with the thread.
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I should quit now, for I could never mince words with someone of your wit. 
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Netskimmer
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Snowfox is correct; I love this game and have said repeatedly that these are minor issues that I wanted to just throw out there for people to contemplate. I don't think it would be less attractive for Ryu to draw his sword from his hip. In fact, in the original games, that's exactly what he did. As for PyroJ's claim, I'd like to know just how long this alleged katana is. I'm 5'9 and I can't draw any of my katana that way, I have six of them btw. I CAN draw a Wakizashi from my back. But a Wakizash is not a katana.
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Regardless of how this thread ends, assuming it ever does, I'll be satisfied with it because I have learned a few things about traditional Japanese sword making and about the ninja and have gotten links to some very cool websites.
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Netskimmer
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No hard feelings SUPA_NINJA.  Does anybody know what the word Ryu means? I've heard it many times in my search for info on ninja and it appears in places other than names. I know Hayabusa means Peregrine Falcon.
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So Ryu's name means "Dragon Peregrine Falcon."
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Yup. While we're at it, does anyone know what gaiden means?
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Kudos to SUPA_NINJA and Snowfox Dreamer for the translation of the word "gaiden." As for Inferno Penguin: A) Is a Dragon Sword an actual style of sword or are you poking fun at me? I've herd of a dragon fang style sword but I think it's Chinese. B) You have a point there, and that's unfortunate because I lost some respect for the series when I saw Rachel. And the worst thing is that they don't even jiggle! 
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Never played DOA so I don't know when it came out. The earliest version I've heard of was released on the Sega Saturn in Japan, which would make it nowhere near as old as Ninja Gaiden.
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If you going to get a sword just to see if you can pull it off your back I would suggest getting a cheap decorative sword from budk or something they sell them for as cheap at $19.95 and list the blade length. So all you would have to do is find one with the proper length.
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That's an
interesting site Roar. 
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Hey Unholy, who the girl in your avatar pic?
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quoteBy the way, the ninjas where pussies, coming out from the dark, stabbing people in the back. What kind of yellow bastard would do that? Hey limpan, I'll bee sure to pass your opinion of stealth combat on to the Navy S.E.A.L.s. Hopefully they have a good sense of humor. 
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