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quote SummonerSupreme
All they really did on the logo was add an outline and lengthen the mouth. As for San Fran, they've got so many holes to fill but it starts with offense. The draft's a bit more up in the air with Matt Leinart shocking us all by committing to his senior year at USC. That's why I think trade the 1st pick is the best option for the 49ers though. They need to get as many draft picks as they could, and hopefully, if they do really shitty job next year, Matt Leinart will definitely be there for them to grap. 
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quote nabo
I think that the 9'ers should trade their pick if there is a team really desperate for a QB, Leinart. (Miami). The Chargers got a ton from the Giants in the Eli/Phillips trade and hopefully the 9'ers can get a deal like that. They should either work on the QB or the RB posistion. . The problem with this is the qbs in this draft are weak since Matt Leinar who I think the only Qb could be successful very early in the NFL or could turn a franchise like the 49ers around in immediately has took himself out of the draft of this year. If you look at the draft of this year, no player with this caliber has come through your mind..both C.Benson and M.Williams are good players, but if you were a GM a team in the NFL, i don't think you want to build team around them just yet. Do you remember when the last time a team was built around a RB? That's right, it's Ricky williams, and you see how that had turned out. If I'm not mistaken, I can't recall a NFL team has built their team around a rookie WR for a long time. The Chargers got helluva good deal last year since there were so many hypes came out of the draft surrounding Eli Manning as a pro player,and both of the Giants and Mannings were really in loved with each other, too. Therefore, I doubt that the 49ers will get many decents draft pick like the Chargers if they decide to trade down their 1st overall pick this year... unless in the next two or three months, there is some idiot GM who suddenly fell in love with a certain player after the rookie's combines.
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quote M_N_M48060
I would love to see Steve McNair come to Detroit. Joey Harrington is way behind schedule for his development as a quarterback. McNair would bring a solid passing game to bring pressure of Kevin Jones and McNair can take it upfield running the ball. While he would only be a temporary fix as he will only last 4 or 5 more years (if the Titans trade him, if not he's going now). This would buy them the time to put together a solid defense and offensive line without having to worry about the quarterback position. Who knows, he might just take them into the playoffs.... There are no doubt in my mind when McNair is a healthy player, he is certainly a top 7 Qbs in the league, and if he magically joins the Lions, there is a great chance that's the Lions would make into the playoffs. However, I don't see how the Titans would let McNair go anytime soon though.
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quote goldensteelix
I thought I heard the Colts were slapping The Edge with the Franchise Tag?
Also with the Titans being so far over the cap, them releasing McNair or trading him away at least wouldn't seem to far out of hand. I don't see it happening, but there is always that minut chance that it does occur, and with his roughly 13Million Salary this year, the idea is a bit intriguing. There is a great chance that Edge will be slapped the franchise tag on him in this offseason, and that's why the Colts extended M.Harrision's contract early this year because the main reason is so it doesn't have to come down with a decision to them which player (him or Edge) will be tagged this season. Now, about McNair and the Titans. Even though, McNair's salary will count against alot the Titan's salary cap, but they won't trade their best player to any one. It's clearly that without him, the Titans can't make the playoffs. If it's necessary, they will have to resconstruct other players contracts or even McNair, or release some other guys to sign rookie.. However, trading McNabb would be signal a "rebuilding" phrase in their franchise which I'm not sure the Titans are really up for it just yet.
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quote Cdemon
Moss is going to Baltimore. The Rams are gonna' pick up Johnny Abraham and Fred Smoot. Mark my words.  The rumor around the league is the Jest are gonna tag J.Abraham in the offseason... unless, the rams are willingly to give up two first rounds draft picks for him, and I don't really see how the Jets would let him go. Wait, Cdemon, do you have some Ram's inside information that we are unawared of at this time? BTW, there is a chance Moss will be trade for a right price, but how many defensive players the Ravens have to give the Vikings to get this cancer?
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quote mj_da_best
And for those who say who say Randy is a cancer and all that shit, well really WHO CARES! The guy is a freak. He has more recieving yards in his first 8 seasons (i think) in history!!!! That means more than Rice, Brown, Bruce, TO, Erving EVERYONE! Mj WHO CAREs if he's a cancer, huh? Okay, to get Randy Moss, team probably has to give up a lot of decent players and even high draft picks on their team for him in returning they hope he could take them to the promise land, right? That's the main reason why they trade for him. However, anyone who relies on Moss as a team captain is solely mistaken. You do not want him to be your team leader. A guy who even admitted that he takes playoffs some times, showed no regrett after walking out the team with 2 seconds left on the clock, and didn't care to back his own coach up 100% even the coach was 100% behind him is never made to be a team leader. The worst thing, his attitude gradually becomes worse when the team start losing games. He will become a problem, remember when he got into Daunte's face on the side line three years when his team was losing, the walk out, his water squirt on the officials....? That's why the Minnesota had only won one playoffs game(sadly,against my packers this year)in 4 years since he became the key for the Vikings. This message was edited by hn2000_80 on Feb 02 2005.This message was edited by hn2000_80 on Feb 02 2005.
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quote Bamman48
You would never ever see a Moss for TO swap. Thats impossible. I'd actually take TO over Moss anyway now that I think about it. TO is stronger, more physical and better in the open field than Moss. The only thing Moss does is run straight down the sideline make catches and run straight down the sideline. He can't do the things that TO does because he isn't big enough. TO is constantly taking on linebackers head to head and gets through them without a problem. If Moss took on linebackers, he'd get destroyed. TO is big enough to brush aside linebackers without a problem. I'd take TO. Agreed. Moss is a different type of wr than To is. However, Moss who is one of the fastest WRs in this league has a sick vertical jump with very soft hands to go along with that which make him a freak on the field, especially in the endzone. That's why he always gets a lot of attention on the field (not like TO doesn't), the guy will always see double coverages from the defense all the day, and he has the snatch making good QBs into great QBs like J.Geogre, Gus,etc... But, I'm still gonna pick TO over Moss for one reason. TO puts 110% everytime he is on the field. People will always question TO's things come out from his mouth, but you will never see any one has ever questioned TO's work ethic. Just like his mentor, he works hard to be where he is at right, one of the bests in his position. On the other hand, Moss who is a lazy bastard admits taking playoffs, walking out on his teammates,having run in with the laws, and poor work ethic
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I'll only pick Drew up for a right price though. It would be really "stupid" to pay a washed up player like Drew a decent amount dollars any more. I think the reason why Drew asked for his pink slip to be released by the Bill, because, he believes that he still can start on this league for the others team, and I'm not sure he would accept any back up role for any team in this season. That's why I think he could end up with his old coach Bill Parcells pretty soon, since there is a great chance that Vinny will retire this season, and Hanson doesn't seem to cut it for the cowgirls.
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quote SALO
yeah they did get into the 0-3 start but as the season progressed they did a lot better and I think the bills shouldn't have got rid of Bledsoe i bet if he was still on the team and played next season the bills can probably be playoff contenders. I doubt it. They would have made the playoffs this year if they played in the NFC. However, it's hard for the Bills to make the playoffs next year with that division. The division crown will come down between the Pats and the Jets again this year, and whoever coming out as a loser will probably be a wildcard team anyway. It's hard to imagine there will be a three playoff teams coming from one division.
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As a packer fan, I'm glad that Moss will be out of my division next year, and I probably won't have to witness his freaking ability toasting our secondary in the games. It's specially how great our secondary was last year, and now, without Moss, we have a less weapon to being worry about. On the other hand, I don't think the Minnesota has got an equal value back for Moss though. They should at least get an additional second round draft, but oh well.... what do I know right? Too bad to be a Viking fan right now. 
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quote D Wade
Well if the trade does happen then I believe the Vikings got ripped.. I would of traded Moss and those 2 picks for Charles Woodson. That's just in my opinion..
Also since Randy Moss is #84 I'm sorry for the other #84 Porter which now has to change his jersey number for Moss. If I was Porter, I'd be pissed.. Anyways, one player ain't going to do anything to a team. I can't see the Raiders in the playoffs next season, I just can't. (I also couldn't see Moss in a Raiders uniform. Now I guess I am..) The problem is no one in the league is willingly to give up that much for Moss right now. So far, this is the best deal that the Vikings got for Moss, and don't forget the Vikings got a 7th overall draft pick this year which they can use to upgrade the defense or get an impact WR rook.
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I don't know about you guys, but one thing really excites me about Moss deal is the match up between Moss and Bailey. Two of the bests at their perspective position will be going at each other next year. I'm not sure Bailey will able to win this one on one battle against Moss, but, it's still gonna be one of the best match ups on the NFL to watch on Sunday
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As expected, Ty Law is released by the Pats today. I wonder who is gonna pick him up in this offseason?
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I don't think Law will sign with the packers either, because the Packs have more holes on their defense than my old sock. It's not wise for them to spending all their money on just one player.
BTW, McKenzie had a very good year with the Saints, despite of an late trade, he still got 5 ints and earned a starting pot on the saints defense right after the trade.
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Losing Winstrom somewhat hurt the Rams defense, but losing Lovie to the BEARs hurt them the most last season. I think the Rams also really miss the "old" Faulk who was equally dangerous both in the running and passing game.
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quote Tidus Strife
I think the Rams need a new QB. Bulger is average at best. Can't blame the dood because he probably can't see past that big ass nose but... Call me crazy, but I would take M.Bulger over M.Vick, Chad Pennington and D."noodle arms" Brees any day. I think during same 3-4 years span, M.Bulger put up almost the same identical stats like K.Warner did during his 2 MVPs. However, but Bulger never had a 1998 Rams D and completely healthy M. Faulk to back him up, therefore, he never had the recognition around the league. One thing though, M. Martz is an idiot who loves to air the ball about 50 times a game, when he had both awesome running backs in Faulk and Stevens (I think). Calling heavily passing plays in the NFL is the best way to end your Qb career prematurely.  .
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quote WingZero259
True, the Rams do need a makeover. So, do the Packers. The Packers just released Mike Wahle one of their best guard because of salary cap move, and guess who is taking a really hard interest in him? The Rams.
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quote WingZero259
The Packers need an owner, seriously. That's why they can't make much noise in the offseason. I don't mean to be disrespectful because I love the Packers, but all those country bumpkins just don't amount up to the hundreds of millions of dollars of other teams. They could buy plenty of talent but they can't when they're on a tight budget.
I can't believe they released Mike Wahle. The people they signed were of no siginificant importance. Here's the list of jobbers they could have let go and reasons why: J.T. O'Sullivan-We have 3 QBs,plus he'll be lucky to start for even Arizona. Paris Lenon-Personally I think a 3rd Round Pick could seriously out do him this year. Jason Horton-"You can't leave toast in the oven that long..." R-Kal Truluck-Not impresive at all. Cullen Jenkins-Not explosive enough.
I know that could have freed up some space to keep Wahle. Plus what makes it worst is that the prime backup Grey Ruegamer who was pretty good was lost as well.
This message was edited by WingZero259 on Mar 01 2005. We have Sherman to blame for all this salary cap mess. He overpaid too many players when he was the Packers GM: Sharper, KGB, C.hunt... are the few to be named. WTF was he thinking? Obviously, now it is coming back and bite us back in the ass. Thanks a lot Sherman. PS: After losing M.Wahle to free agency, Rivera is currently visiting Denver right now, so I assume that we will lose both Rivera and Wahle who both are probably in top 10 guards of this league, and I wonder this will affect Favre's decision to come back or not??  Congrats to the Ravens for grapping Mason in this offseason. They didn't have to spend a 1st draft pick, either T.Suggs or E.Reed, and still got a quality WR. If Boller can turn his game on, Ravens will be a contender in the AFC. This message was edited by hn2000_80 on Mar 02 2005.
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I don't know how the Redskin could worked out this trade. Didn't they just sign a huge ass contract with Coles about two years ago? Getting rid of Coles might hurt their salary cap in the future ( I need to doublecheck on that).
I agree with Cdemon that Coakley is a huge upgrade for the Rams D, but I don't know if I can say the same thing for C.C though.
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Oh yeah, the Vikings have 30 freaking millions under the cap in this off season. I think they should have spent some of that money last year to upgrade their defense when they still have Moss and Culpeppper to go all the way, but McCombs refused to do so (or McComb knew that his teams were whole bunch of chokers), so he could sell the team this year. No wonder that Moss was pissed at their owner. I don't care what they will do with their money in this offseason, but as long as Mike Tice is their HC, the Packers still have a great chance to win the NFC North division. 
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With the addition of Rolle, I think the Ravens will have the best secondary in this league: McAllister, S.Rolle and Ed Reed, and their defense will the really tough to face next year (not like their D wasn't tough last season). Even with the signing of both Mason and Rolle, Ravens will be great as long as J.Lewis can stay injury free and Boller doesn't cost them any game.
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quote I Am Steely Phil
Ravens the top seed? Pffft. Just like the Colts have no D, the Ravens have no offense. The Colts beat Ray Lewis and the Ravens. The Colts aren't even one the top 2 teams, anyway. besides, whatever GS has said, It's the defense wins Championship. Did you forget that the Ravens had won the SB in 2000 without a decent Qb under the center? That's why I think their main key is J. Lewis. If he goes, so do the Ravens offense, and as long K. Boller doesnt throw any ints which cost them any game, the Ravens have a great chance to win the AFC.
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Damn. Long time no C, LCH. How have you been?? Remember about the one post that I posted under NFL thread on Madden 2005 saying that there was a rumor that the Raiders was gonna trade their draft picks and players for Moss in last year offseason. Oh well, I'll say that the rumor is only one year off. LOL. BTW, congratulation on your Raiders nation for getting Moss. I think he is the best player in this league if he really puts his heart into his games. However, let see if what kind of player he will show up for "Silver and Black" nation.
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quote D Wade
To change the subject, I didn't know that the Packers were going to release their S Darren Sharper. I heard that he could be released by this Friday cause of cap issues.. I don't know what Green Bay is doing, but their releasing some good players. You didn't know. Oh man, I've been saying this for months, where have you been, DWade? BTW, Dallas Cowboys should change their name to Dallas Packers 2. (I'm joking) I guess GS has explained to you why the Packers had to release some of their best players in this offseason, mainly, Sherman basically f u cked us up during his four years as GM. Oh man, the debate between the STinger and the LCH brought back the old memory in Madden 2005 forum. It's great to see your guys rivalry heating up again. Getting back to the best trio WRs in this league debate, Moss, Porter and Curry might not be the best trio in the NFL, but IMO, they are definitely the second best in this league only behind to the trio Harrision, R.Wayne and B.Stokely of the Colts. I don't care what you guys are saying about Moss's attitude, or his work ethic on the filed, but when he steps on the football's field, teams will have to double him or at least having a safety slide on his side to defend the deep ball on almost every play, because there is no way team can tell which Moss is gonna show up in the game. With all the attentions, Porter or other WR will be left alone with one on one coverage with a DB, and trust me, from a Packer fan who had been watching Moss for 6-7 years against my Packers, Moss will make K.Collins, other WRs and the Raiders running game better. Here is my little suggestion to the Stinger, I think you guys need to sign a great DB in this off season, because I don't think either E.Warfield or McCleon will be able to hang with Moss all game long. [size=1] This message was edited by hn2000_80 on Mar 10 2005.
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So, if the Vikings go 10-6 next season, will you guys still consider them as the most improved team in the NFC? Seriously, that's how I think the Viking's record next season will be. Yes, the Vikings have made a lot of noise in this off season, however, they still have one of the most stupid headcoaches (Mike Tice) in the NFL. They could have easily beaten out the Packers and the rest of NFC north division in the last two years, but they didn't, because, they always found a way to choke at the end of regular season. Their best record since Mike Tice became their HC is 8-8. Ouch. Therefore, as long as Mike Tice will be a HC for that team and B. Favre is our QB, I still think the Packers still have a great chance to win this division again.
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