nfl NFL Offseason Discussion II (2005)

quote nabo

I think that the 9'ers should trade their pick if there is a team really desperate for a QB, Leinart. (Miami). The Chargers got a ton from the Giants in the Eli/Phillips trade and hopefully the 9'ers can get a deal like that. They should either work on the QB or the RB posistion.
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The problem with this is the qbs in this draft are weak since Matt Leinar who I think the only Qb could be successful very early in the NFL or could turn a franchise like the 49ers around in immediately has took himself out of the draft of this year. If you look at the draft of this year, no player with this caliber has come through your mind..both C.Benson and M.Williams are good players, but if you were a GM a team in the NFL, i don't think you want to build team around them just yet. Do you remember when the last time a team was built around a RB? That's right, it's Ricky williams, and you see how that had turned out. If I'm not mistaken, I can't recall a NFL team has built their team around a rookie WR for a long time.
The Chargers got helluva good deal last year since there were so many hypes came out of the draft surrounding Eli Manning as a pro player,and both of the Giants and Mannings were really in loved with each other, too.
Therefore, I doubt that the 49ers will get many decents draft pick like the Chargers if they decide to trade down their 1st overall pick this year... unless in the next two or three months, there is some idiot GM who suddenly fell in love with a certain player after the rookie's combines.

quote goldensteelix

I thought I heard the Colts were slapping The Edge with the Franchise Tag?

Also with the Titans being so far over the cap, them releasing McNair or trading him away at least wouldn't seem to far out of hand. I don't see it happening, but there is always that minut chance that it does occur, and with his roughly 13Million Salary this year, the idea is a bit intriguing.

There is a great chance that Edge will be slapped the franchise tag on him in this offseason, and that's why the Colts extended M.Harrision's contract early this year because the main reason is so it doesn't have to come down with a decision to them which player (him or Edge) will be tagged this season.
Now, about McNair and the Titans. Even though, McNair's salary will count against alot the Titan's salary cap, but they won't trade their best player to any one. It's clearly that without him, the Titans can't make the playoffs. If it's necessary, they will have to resconstruct other players contracts or even McNair, or release some other guys to sign rookie.. However, trading McNabb would be signal a "rebuilding" phrase in their franchise which I'm not sure the Titans are really up for it just yet.

quote mj_da_best

And for those who say who say Randy is a cancer and all that shit, well really WHO CARES! The guy is a freak. He has more recieving yards in his first 8 seasons (i think) in history!!!! That means more than Rice, Brown, Bruce, TO, Erving EVERYONE!
Mj

WHO CAREs if he's a cancer, huh?
Okay, to get Randy Moss, team probably has to give up a lot of decent players and even high draft picks on their team for him in returning they hope he could take them to the promise land, right? That's the main reason why they trade for him. However, anyone who relies on Moss as a team captain is solely mistaken. You do not want him to be your team leader. A guy who even admitted that he takes playoffs some times, showed no regrett after walking out the team with 2 seconds left on the clock, and didn't care to back his own coach up 100% even the coach was 100% behind him is never made to be a team leader.
The worst thing, his attitude gradually becomes worse when the team start losing games. He will become a problem, remember when he got into Daunte's face on the side line three years when his team was losing, the walk out, his water squirt on the officials....?
That's why the Minnesota had only won one playoffs game(sadly,against my packers this year)in 4 years since he became the key for the Vikings.

This message was edited by hn2000_80 on Feb 02 2005.

This message was edited by hn2000_80 on Feb 02 2005.

I'll only pick Drew up for a right price though. It would be really "stupid" to pay a washed up player like Drew a decent amount dollars any more. I think the reason why Drew asked for his pink slip to be released by the Bill, because, he believes that he still can start on this league for the others team, and I'm not sure he would accept any back up role for any team in this season.
That's why I think he could end up with his old coach Bill Parcells pretty soon, since there is a great chance that Vinny will retire this season, and Hanson doesn't seem to cut it for the cowgirls.

As a packer fan, I'm glad that Moss will be out of my division next year, and I probably won't have to witness his freaking ability toasting our secondary in the games. It's specially how great our secondary was last year, and now, without Moss, we have a less weapon to being worry about.

On the other hand, I don't think the Minnesota has got an equal value back for Moss though. They should at least get an additional second round draft, but oh well.... what do I know right? Too bad to be a Viking fan right now.

I don't know about you guys, but one thing really excites me about Moss deal is the match up between Moss and Bailey. Two of the bests at their perspective position will be going at each other next year. I'm not sure Bailey will able to win this one on one battle against Moss, but, it's still gonna be one of the best match ups on the NFL to watch on Sunday

I don't think Law will sign with the packers either, because the Packs have more holes on their defense than my old sock. It's not wise for them to spending all their money on just one player.

BTW, McKenzie had a very good year with the Saints, despite of an late trade, he still got 5 ints and earned a starting pot on the saints defense right after the trade.

quote Tidus Strife

I think the Rams need a new QB. Bulger is average at best. Can't blame the dood because he probably can't see past that big ass nose but...

Call me crazy, but I would take M.Bulger over M.Vick, Chad Pennington and D."noodle arms" Brees any day. I think during same 3-4 years span, M.Bulger put up almost the same identical stats like K.Warner did during his 2 MVPs. However, but Bulger never had a 1998 Rams D and completely healthy M. Faulk to back him up, therefore, he never had the recognition around the league.
One thing though, M. Martz is an idiot who loves to air the ball about 50 times a game, when he had both awesome running backs in Faulk and Stevens (I think). Calling heavily passing plays in the NFL is the best way to end your Qb career prematurely..

quote WingZero259

The Packers need an owner, seriously. That's why they can't make much noise in the offseason. I don't mean to be disrespectful because I love the Packers, but all those country bumpkins just don't amount up to the hundreds of millions of dollars of other teams. They could buy plenty of talent but they can't when they're on a tight budget.

I can't believe they released Mike Wahle. The people they signed were of no siginificant importance.
Here's the list of jobbers they could have let go and reasons why:
J.T. O'Sullivan-We have 3 QBs,plus he'll be lucky to start for even Arizona.
Paris Lenon-Personally I think a 3rd Round Pick could seriously out do him this year.
Jason Horton-"You can't leave toast in the oven that long..."
R-Kal Truluck-Not impresive at all.
Cullen Jenkins-Not explosive enough.

I know that could have freed up some space to keep Wahle. Plus what makes it worst is that the prime backup Grey Ruegamer who was pretty good was lost as well.


This message was edited by WingZero259 on Mar 01 2005.

We have Sherman to blame for all this salary cap mess. He overpaid too many players when he was the Packers GM: Sharper, KGB, C.hunt... are the few to be named. WTF was he thinking? Obviously, now it is coming back and bite us back in the ass.
Thanks a lot Sherman.
PS: After losing M.Wahle to free agency, Rivera is currently visiting Denver right now, so I assume that we will lose both Rivera and Wahle who both are probably in top 10 guards of this league, and I wonder this will affect Favre's decision to come back or not??
Congrats to the Ravens for grapping Mason in this offseason. They didn't have to spend a 1st draft pick, either T.Suggs or E.Reed, and still got a quality WR. If Boller can turn his game on, Ravens will be a contender in the AFC.

This message was edited by hn2000_80 on Mar 02 2005.

Oh yeah, the Vikings have 30 freaking millions under the cap in this off season. I think they should have spent some of that money last year to upgrade their defense when they still have Moss and Culpeppper to go all the way, but McCombs refused to do so (or McComb knew that his teams were whole bunch of chokers), so he could sell the team this year. No wonder that Moss was pissed at their owner.
I don't care what they will do with their money in this offseason, but as long as Mike Tice is their HC, the Packers still have a great chance to win the NFC North division.

quote I Am Steely Phil

Ravens the top seed? Pffft. Just like the Colts have no D, the Ravens have no offense. The Colts beat Ray Lewis and the Ravens. The Colts aren't even one the top 2 teams, anyway.

besides, whatever GS has said,
It's the defense wins Championship.
Did you forget that the Ravens had won the SB in 2000 without a decent Qb under the center?
That's why I think their main key is J. Lewis. If he goes, so do the Ravens offense, and as long K. Boller doesnt throw any ints which cost them any game, the Ravens have a great chance to win the AFC.

quote D Wade

To change the subject, I didn't know that the Packers were going to release their S Darren Sharper. I heard that he could be released by this Friday cause of cap issues.. I don't know what Green Bay is doing, but their releasing some good players.

You didn't know. Oh man, I've been saying this for months, where have you been, DWade?
BTW, Dallas Cowboys should change their name to Dallas Packers 2. (I'm joking)
I guess GS has explained to you why the Packers had to release some of their best players in this offseason, mainly, Sherman basically f u cked us up during his four years as GM.

Oh man, the debate between the STinger and the LCH brought back the old memory in Madden 2005 forum. It's great to see your guys rivalry heating up again.
Getting back to the best trio WRs in this league debate, Moss, Porter and Curry might not be the best trio in the NFL, but IMO, they are definitely the second best in this league only behind to the trio Harrision, R.Wayne and B.Stokely of the Colts. I don't care what you guys are saying about Moss's attitude, or his work ethic on the filed, but when he steps on the football's field, teams will have to double him or at least having a safety slide on his side to defend the deep ball on almost every play, because there is no way team can tell which Moss is gonna show up in the game. With all the attentions, Porter or other WR will be left alone with one on one coverage with a DB, and trust me, from a Packer fan who had been watching Moss for 6-7 years against my Packers, Moss will make K.Collins, other WRs and the Raiders running game better.

Here is my little suggestion to the Stinger, I think you guys need to sign a great DB in this off season, because I don't think either E.Warfield or McCleon will be able to hang with Moss all game long.

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