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If you took your time during the desert level, you would have gotten those boots (forgot the exact name) that give you +2 movement. That solves Amelia's movement problem, and lands her into her much better promotion choice (general, in other words).

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But as a Hero, his growths aren't going to change at all, so he's STILL going to get doubled by Swordmasters, not going to DA anything, still miss crap, so you might as well take the extra criticals.

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The point is, Super Trainees come out with more balanced stats than a Sage. Or, as a Druid, with better MAG than a Sage, and equal SPD, would be much better suited. Plus the ability to use Anima makes up for the lower SKL.

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Yes, Seth is good by JEIGAN standards. But if you compare him to someone like Franz, Kyle, or Forde, you'll see that he is vastly inferior.

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I fail to see how having 25 MAG would make her have more offense than 30 MAG. This isn't some measely 1 point advantage, this is a whopping 5. Besides, a Sage's stats add up to MUCH better than a Mage Knights.

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But the Slayer skill makes him better throughout the game because the game is mainly populated with monsters. The Slayer skill is also invaluable in Tower and Ruins.

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Not much to say here, but having one Falco Knight and one Wyvern Knight is my preference, because it gives a nice balance. Statistically, they're too similar for any significant conclusion.

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Cavaliers, in general, turn out crappy. Their caps are mediocre, and don't excel in anything. There are alternatives to everything. The only worthwhile cavalier is Kyle, because his growths match GK's caps perfectlly, and a GK actually has DECENT stats.

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Generals are the best melee class though. Mastery of all three weapons, and Great Shield, with some awesome caps (High POW, DEF, and RES) makes her a extremely valuable unit. As I said, movement is not an issue. Just let the enemy come to you.

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Better than giving up a critical for no change at all in getting DAed. Changing classes doesn't change growths.

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You do realize that you can get S in Anima instead as a Druid instead of Dark right? Besides, Druids have a better arsenal of spells. Dark + Anima > Anima + Light.

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If you think THOSE are "perfect" or even "good" stats, you seriously need to take a look at some other units.

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Why are you using 20/10 at this game, when you can get 20/20 EASILY by Chapter 15ish? Besides, Paladins have crappy stats because they don't excell in anything, and are outstripped by everyone else. GKs aren't extraodinary either, but it makes a better chioce than Paladin because they have the ablility to excell in POW and DEF while retaining movement as opposed to Generals. They're still not the BEST but it's all relative.

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I think you're being stupid. THIS game, it's easy as hell to get 20/20 on anyone. Constituion shouldn't matter, because she can DA as a Sage as well as a MK. It doesn't matter at all.

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But there are only a few Generals and the like, and you have units like Lute and Ewan to take care of them, whereas you only have Artur and Natasha (POSSIBLY) for the monsters, which DOMINATE the game as opposed to the rare occurances of Generals and such.

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Moulder has the worst growths other than prepromotes out of the magic units. And the fact he's a healer makes him incredibly difficult to level up.

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I read thorugh all that, and all I got out of it was that you were pitting underleveled Joshua with no support against higher leveled other people with supports. If you have to resort to THAT to get the results you want, then I've nothign to say to you except that you're a noob.

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Disproven above

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Compared to Ninoi and Raven, yes, yes very much so.

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With what? Lances> Don't make me laugh.

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Already pointed out the flaws with that logic above.

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Yes, Seth is good by JEIGAN standards. But if you compare him to someone like Franz, Kyle, or Forde, you'll see that he is vastly inferior.

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Generals are the best melee class though. Mastery of all three weapons, and Great Shield, with some awesome caps (High POW, DEF, and RES) makes her a extremely valuable unit. As I said, movement is not an issue. Just let the enemy come to you.

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Why are you using 20/10 at this game, when you can get 20/20 EASILY by Chapter 15ish?
I think you're being stupid. THIS game, it's easy as hell to get 20/20 on anyone.

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Constituion shouldn't matter, because she can DA as a Sage as well as a MK. It doesn't matter at all.

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whereas you only have Artur and Natasha (POSSIBLY) for the monsters, which DOMINATE the game

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I read thorugh all that, and all I got out of it was that you were pitting underleveled Joshua with no support against higher leveled other people with supports. If you have to resort to THAT to get the results you want, then I've nothign to say to you except that you're a noob.

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Compared to Ninoi and Raven, yes, yes very much so.

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With what? Lances> Don't make me laugh.

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If you took your time during the desert level, you would have gotten those boots (forgot the exact name) that give you +2 movement. That solves Amelia's movement problem, and lands her into her much better promotion choice (general, in other words).

That doesn't do the Knight a bit of good. Besides, why not promote her into a Great Knight and let Gilliam have the Boots as a General? He's more built for the General class than Amelia.

Having more than one General is nice...movement is moot, and the fact that you can creature campaign means that higher stats CAPS are better, regardless of growth. Regarldess of what you say, Big Shield IS a nice ability to have. Sure, she has higher dodge, but it doesn't change the fact that she can still get hit...unless GKs automatically give 100% avoid, then the point is moot.

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But as a Hero, his growths aren't going to change at all, so he's STILL going to get doubled by Swordmasters, not going to DA anything, still miss crap, so you might as well take the extra criticals.

You completely missed the point. He's avoiding WTD from Swordmasters, netting him 15 Avoid and Hit. He's still doubled, but he has a higher chance of dodging the attack and hitting the counterattack.

I guess I can see your thinking, so I'll somewhat concede this point, just that I personally think that Ross Berserker is going to be a lot more useful...besides, you have Gerik and he makes a superb hero.

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The point is, Super Trainees come out with more balanced stats than a Sage. Or, as a Druid, with better MAG than a Sage, and equal SPD, would be much better suited. Plus the ability to use Anima makes up for the lower SKL.

I find the Sage's WTA better, but I don't feel too strongly about Ewan in general (underlevelled and such, plus beaten by Lute at even levels anyway), so I'm willing to concede this point.

Ewan is underleveled, and somewhat difficult to train, true, but hey, I'm a Dark MAgic fan, so I want a Summoner (Knoll) and a Druid. Meh.

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Yes, Seth is good by JEIGAN standards. But if you compare him to someone like Franz, Kyle, or Forde, you'll see that he is vastly inferior.

Proven below otherwise. As for the level differences, I think that only helps Seth more to use 20/20 (I'll check that in a second). I don't find 20/20 a viable endgame level anyway, though, as explained below.

See below also then...20/20 is a very viable endgame level IMO...unless you're training like 20 people...

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I fail to see how having 25 MAG would make her have more offense than 30 MAG. This isn't some measely 1 point advantage, this is a whopping 5. Besides, a Sage's stats add up to MUCH better than a Mage Knights.

You have Thunder on the Mage Knight as opposed to Fire on the Sage. The Mage Knight has a better offense for a longer period of time due to the Sage needing beyond endgame levels to catch up to the 3 Might difference between Fire and Thunder.

OK, what the hell? WHY IN THE WORLD can a MK use Thunder and the Sage has to resort to Fire? You have no logic here...

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But the Slayer skill makes him better throughout the game because the game is mainly populated with monsters. The Slayer skill is also invaluable in Tower and Ruins.

No, humans populate the game more; the only chapters with monsters are Chapter 4, Chapter 11, Chapter 12, Chapter 18, Chapter 20, and the Final Chapter. All the rest have humans as enemies, and against all of those enemies, Artur with Thunder is better than Artur with any Light tome.

Thunder is a pathetic tome, if you think about it. Besides, Light tomes are lighter without too significant of a MT disadvantage. And this game is over populated with potentiall good Anima users, no need to have yet another one when you can get a Bishop, which has its own merits.

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Not much to say here, but having one Falco Knight and one Wyvern Knight is my preference, because it gives a nice balance. Statistically, they're too similar for any significant conclusion.

I don't necessarily need variety, myself, so I'd take the Falcon Knights. If you're going for variety, I can see why you'd want a Wyvern Knight.

As I said, not really anything significant here...Perosnal preference really...

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Cavaliers, in general, turn out crappy. Their caps are mediocre, and don't excel in anything. There are alternatives to everything. The only worthwhile cavalier is Kyle, because his growths match GK's caps perfectlly, and a GK actually has DECENT stats.

Matching the Great Knight's caps with a character's growths doesn't mean a thing if you don't hit them. The fact is, Franz has a considerably better offense due to a higher Speed throughout the game (and thus being able to double more enemies). Personally, I think Strength and Speed over 20 with high Skill and Luck to boot is quite decent, hence why I like Franz.

I dislike cavaliers in general, because I hate the stat caps of Paladins from FE7. The introduction of GKs seem good, since I think they actually have some decent caps. The thing is, caps ARE important in this game, because oftentime a character would hit the caps too early and be restricted. Franz is not a great character IMO because as a GK he doesn't really GET to anything...

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Generals are the best melee class though. Mastery of all three weapons, and Great Shield, with some awesome caps (High POW, DEF, and RES) makes her a extremely valuable unit. As I said, movement is not an issue. Just let the enemy come to you.

Great Shield, again, isn't necessary when you're dodging everything. Great Knights have the Weapon Triangle as well, so that point is moot, and Great Knight via Cavalier has a better Sword rank to boot assuming you use Swords at all (smart idea for axers, obviously). Amelia doesn't need high Strength, Defense, and Resistance caps because those are her worst stats. She wants a high Speed cap, being that Speed is one of her assets, and the Great Knight gives it to her.

As for letting the enemy come to you, that just shows how much more efficient the Great Knight is compared to the General. The General apparently has to have the enemies come to it; the Great Knight can go to them, or at least keep up with your party who's going to them.

Great Shield IS necessary because it's not like being a GK automatically gives you 100% avoid, as stated above. GKs have good SPD for heavy unit standards, but they're still going to get hit quite often by most units, since GK is, despite having a horse, a slow unit. Movement is pointless because having too much movement difference between your team seperates your units so they can't work together, whereas Generals can keep up with them without falling TOO far behind, but a GK would move ahead of everyone else, and subject to take the blunt of the opposition alone.

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Better than giving up a critical for no change at all in getting DAed. Changing classes doesn't change growths.

You'd missed the point above, so instead of restating it and sounding monotonous, I'll redirect you to the earlier part of this post.

Same, see above.

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You do realize that you can get S in Anima instead as a Druid instead of Dark right? Besides, Druids have a better arsenal of spells. Dark + Anima > Anima + Light.

You'll have an A in Dark and a D in Anima on promotion at Chapter 16 or 17 (considering it's Ewan). You have to practically let Ewan clear every map after that to build him up to S Anima.

It shouldn't be difficult though, since Anima's lihter weight should guarantee a DA the majortiy of the time. There isn't any real shortage of enemies in this game, so it shouldn't be too challenging. Going from D to A is a lot faster than people would think.

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If you think THOSE are "perfect" or even "good" stats, you seriously need to take a look at some other units.

If that's bad, Kyle's is horrible; 1-2 more Strength at most in exchange for doubling most of the game? Moreover, Franz's affinity gives Attack, so he can match Kyle's Strength with supports; Kyle can't pick up the AS slack with supports.

Supports mean nothing...Kyle's supports also give him some POW, and Franz's growth, as I've mentioned, are horrible for a GK while Kyle will max or come close to maxing the stats that really matter for a GK, despite what you seem to believe.

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Why are you using 20/10 at this game, when you can get 20/20 EASILY by Chapter 15ish? Besides, Paladins have crappy stats because they don't excell in anything, and are outstripped by everyone else. GKs aren't extraodinary either, but it makes a better chioce than Paladin because they have the ablility to excell in POW and DEF while retaining movement as opposed to Generals. They're still not the BEST but it's all relative.

I'll address the leveling in a second. Now, if growth rates don't change due to class, why do you say that they do here? Paladin Kyle, according to you, is much crappier than Great Knight Kyle even though their growths are the same.

Growths are the same, but caps are different. Paladins have mediocre caps with nothing extraordinary.

While we're on the subject, Kyle has higher POW and RES than Franz, equal DEF and SKL, and 5 lower SPD, and 5 higher HP. He has POW, which is improtant for a MK. Franz, on the other hand, has SPD, which isn't going to change anything because GKs aren't meant to be versatile through speed.

As for the levels, you're only reaching 20/20 if:
1. You play NM.

2. Your party is very small(6 or so chars max).

3. You're giving a few characters much more attention than most other characters.

4. You Tower, Arena or Boss Abused.

5. You're in Creature Campaign.

6. Two or more of the above.

And why Tower Abuse isn't valid? Towering everyone until 20/20 is/does:

1. Boring and tedious.

2. Time-consuming.

3. Makes the rest of the main game so easy that it isn't worth playing(IMO).

4. Completely unnecessary.

So why bother? Sacred Stones is easy enough without the Tower.

It's quite easy to reach 20/20 with a maxed/average sized team with most of your people. Tower is nice, but it shouldn't even need to be abused to get a constant team to 20/20. The enemies are not scarece in this game...

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I think you're being stupid. THIS game, it's easy as hell to get 20/20 on anyone. Constituion shouldn't matter, because she can DA as a Sage as well as a MK. It doesn't matter at all.

You're losing Avoid when doing so; if Avoid doesn't matter, Mage Knight Lute gets Elfire and beats Thunder Sage for most of the game. Sage steps up to Elfire, Mage Knight steps up to Fimbulvetr. Sage steps up to Fimbulvetr, Mage Knight takes Excalibur and wins Avoid. Sage takes Excalibur, Mage Knight still has a better offense for a little while due to better Avoid.

Once again, I see no logic in this. For one, why does is the Sage one weapon level behind the MK? That makes absolutely no sense, Lute should be at A level Anima by 20/--, so the whole THunder vs. Fire thing is moot, and they can both use Elfire and Fimbultvr...MK does not give better avoid, because Sages have HIGHER SPD than MKs.

In fact, Sages have +5 MAG, +4 SKL, and +1 SPD, and -3 DEF and -2 RES. And it's not like MKs max DEF, and RES 2 more RES is insignificant. Sages are better every way you look.

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But there are only a few Generals and the like, and you have units like Lute and Ewan to take care of them, whereas you only have Artur and Natasha (POSSIBLY) for the monsters, which DOMINATE the game as opposed to the rare occurances of Generals and such.

Hard Mode Great Knights and Warriors (especially Warriors) come in packs. The Sage is still decimating enemies without high Resistance or HP; only ones that have one or both are Dracozombies, Gorgons, a couple of Arch Mogalls, and Cyclopes, which occur far less than HM Generals, Great Knights, and Warriors. Why not have Sage Artur be able to destroy Generals, Great Knights, and Warriors as well as most monsters?

Because Sage Artur doesn't have Slayer, so he won';t be as efficient with the monsters. You're far from having a shortage of Sages and Anima users in this game, so I don't see why you need another one and give up a perfectly good Bishop for it.

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Moulder has the worst growths other than prepromotes out of the magic units. And the fact he's a healer makes him incredibly difficult to level up.

So? That's taken into account when figuring averages. You still haven't explained why the stats I posted are bad. AS for the levelling, if anything, it should be easier to level healers in Hard Mode since EXP is cut for fighters and you have things like Torch and Barrier that should either be used frequently (Torch) or not often enough to be worthwhile so you can waste it (Barrier).

Because Moulder has extremely bad stat growths: the ones he has highest in are the ones where he has the lowest caps, and healers are much harder to level up than other units.

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I read thorugh all that, and all I got out of it was that you were pitting underleveled Joshua with no support against higher leveled other people with supports. If you have to resort to THAT to get the results you want, then I've nothign to say to you except that you're a noob.

Colm ahs a level advantage because he joins earlier and gets more EXP due to being a Thief. I already said why full supports aren't factored; Colm has better supports for B than Joshua, meaning that witholding full supports goes in Joshua's favor.

Just because he joins earlier doesn't me he gets to be higher leveled. Besides, it's not that hard to catch Joshua up, Myrmidons get a lot better stats than Thiefs sicne they actually have SKL, SPD and some POW, as opposed to the sole SPD of the Thief and the patehtic STR that isn't going to get him anywhere anytime soon.

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Disproven above

Disproven the disproving above >_>

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Compared to Ninoi and Raven, yes, yes very much so.

Nino marginally beats Pent at even levels fully supported. The slight win in stats gets destroyed by better joining time, base level (you're looking at a ??/8 Sage in comparison to a 5/0 Mage), higher Staff level, and the fact that Pent doesn't kill your Tactics rating.

Raven I can see beating Harken, but Harken's not far behind and beats out characters like, say, Bartre.

MARGINALLY? Nino ANNILATES Pent at 20/20, with MUCH higher SKL MAG and SPD, and doesn't fall behind in anything average speaking.

Bartre is not meant to be used, so being better than him doesn't prove anything. And they're two completely different classes. It's like comparing apples to oranges: say what? See, it doesn't work.

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With what? Lances> Don't make me laugh.

Great Knights have the Weapon Triangle as well. Actually, Great Knights have better Avoid because they don't kill Amelia's Speed cap. If you're trying to deny that Amelia can evade attacks, I have to wonder why you call me a noob.

[b]Please tell me you're joking. Generals have 26 SPD cap, GKs have 25. So your argument got you absolutely nowhere.

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Already pointed out the flaws with that logic above.

No, you didn't, because you missed my point entirely.

And you missed mine...

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Having more than one General is nice...movement is moot, and the fact that you can creature campaign means that higher stats CAPS are better, regardless of growth. Regarldess of what you say, Big Shield IS a nice ability to have. Sure, she has higher dodge, but it doesn't change the fact that she can still get hit...unless GKs automatically give 100% avoid, then the point is moot.

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I guess I can see your thinking, so I'll somewhat concede this point, just that I personally think that Ross Berserker is going to be a lot more useful...besides, you have Gerik and he makes a superb hero.

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Ewan is underleveled, and somewhat difficult to train, true, but hey, I'm a Dark MAgic fan, so I want a Summoner (Knoll) and a Druid. Meh.

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See below also then...20/20 is a very viable endgame level IMO...unless you're training like 20 people...

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OK, what the hell? WHY IN THE WORLD can a MK use Thunder and the Sage has to resort to Fire? You have no logic here...

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Thunder is a pathetic tome, if you think about it. Besides, Light tomes are lighter without too significant of a MT disadvantage. And this game is over populated with potentiall good Anima users, no need to have yet another one when you can get a Bishop, which has its own merits.

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As I said, not really anything significant here...Perosnal preference really...

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I dislike cavaliers in general, because I hate the stat caps of Paladins from FE7. The introduction of GKs seem good, since I think they actually have some decent caps. The thing is, caps ARE important in this game, because oftentime a character would hit the caps too early and be restricted. Franz is not a great character IMO because as a GK he doesn't really GET to anything...

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Great Shield IS necessary because it's not like being a GK automatically gives you 100% avoid, as stated above. GKs have good SPD for heavy unit standards, but they're still going to get hit quite often by most units, since GK is, despite having a horse, a slow unit. Movement is pointless because having too much movement difference between your team seperates your units so they can't work together, whereas Generals can keep up with them without falling TOO far behind, but a GK would move ahead of everyone else, and subject to take the blunt of the opposition alone.

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It shouldn't be difficult though, since Anima's lihter weight should guarantee a DA the majortiy of the time. There isn't any real shortage of enemies in this game, so it shouldn't be too challenging. Going from D to A is a lot faster than people would think.

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Supports mean nothing...Kyle's supports also give him some POW, and Franz's growth, as I've mentioned, are horrible for a GK while Kyle will max or come close to maxing the stats that really matter for a GK, despite what you seem to believe.

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Growths are the same, but caps are different. Paladins have mediocre caps with nothing extraordinary.

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While we're on the subject, Kyle has higher POW and RES than Franz, equal DEF and SKL, and 5 lower SPD, and 5 higher HP. He has POW, which is improtant for a MK. Franz, on the other hand, has SPD, which isn't going to change anything because GKs aren't meant to be versatile through speed.

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It's quite easy to reach 20/20 with a maxed/average sized team with most of your people. Tower is nice, but it shouldn't even need to be abused to get a constant team to 20/20. The enemies are not scarece in this game...

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Once again, I see no logic in this. For one, why does is the Sage one weapon level behind the MK? That makes absolutely no sense, Lute should be at A level Anima by 20/--, so the whole THunder vs. Fire thing is moot, and they can both use Elfire and Fimbultvr...MK does not give better avoid, because Sages have HIGHER SPD than MKs.

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In fact, Sages have +5 MAG, +4 SKL, and +1 SPD, and -3 DEF and -2 RES. And it's not like MKs max DEF, and RES 2 more RES is insignificant. Sages are better every way you look.

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Because Sage Artur doesn't have Slayer, so he won';t be as efficient with the monsters. You're far from having a shortage of Sages and Anima users in this game, so I don't see why you need another one and give up a perfectly good Bishop for it.

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Because Moulder has extremely bad stat growths: the ones he has highest in are the ones where he has the lowest caps, and healers are much harder to level up than other units.

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MARGINALLY? Nino ANNILATES Pent at 20/20, with MUCH higher SKL MAG and SPD, and doesn't fall behind in anything average speaking.

Bartre is not meant to be used, so being better than him doesn't prove anything. And they're two completely different classes. It's like comparing apples to oranges: say what? See, it doesn't work.

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Just because he joins earlier doesn't me he gets to be higher leveled. Besides, it's not that hard to catch Joshua up, Myrmidons get a lot better stats than Thiefs sicne they actually have SKL, SPD and some POW, as opposed to the sole SPD of the Thief and the patehtic STR that isn't going to get him anywhere anytime soon.

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Please tell me you're joking. Generals have 26 SPD cap, GKs have 25. So your argument got you absolutely nowhere.

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And you missed mine...

In regards to Dragonlord’s statement “Supports mean nothing…”:

Supports are something for nothing; they can have huge benefits(up to +25 Dodge, +5 Atk and +5 Def) and there is no benefit to neglecting them. In the face of this fact, disregarding Supports equates to denying myself the better unit without any compensation(a unit with additional combat stats from Supports is undeniably superior in actual performance to the same unit with no Supports), which is a downright illogical choice.

In regards to party averages:

I myself find 20/10 to be accurate for most of my units by the endgame. Those who started out prepromoted or have Exp Boosts can expect to have 2 or 3 additional Levels. I play HM, typically with a 12 unit team(since that is the max for any Chapter outside of 19 and 20), and have personally never attained even a 20/15 final party average(much less 20/20) without using forms of Exp outside the campaign(i.e. Tower/Ruins/Skirmishes).

Getting 12 units to 20/20 during Hard Mode, without using the Tower/Ruins/Skirmishes at all, is nigh impossible from what I’ve seen. By the time your units reach 20/15, they are getting around 5 Exp per kill thanks to HM’s severe Exp cut. That means it’s 100 kills just to get one unit from 20/15 to 20/20. To get 12 requires 1200, and there are certainly not 1200 enemies available in the last few Chapters. Granted, this is slightly offset by enemy Bosses. But I count no more than 5 of those in the last three Chapters, and even assuming that killing each one nets you the max of 100 Exp(which it does not, but that’s beside the point), you’ve still got to find 700 or so enemies to kill. And that’s still far too many. As an aside, no, I do not extensively use the Arenas either, and no, I see no reason to.

If you play NM, perhaps things are different, since there isn’t an Exp cut. I wouldn’t know; since I find FE8 to be easy enough already, I only play HM.

Now, in regards to caps:

From the way Dragonlord has been talking, he is placing more value on caps than Promotional Gains and weapon types, which I find to be erroneous. For one, almost *no one* hits any of their stat caps by 20/10, which is the endgame LvL I’m assuming. And there is no significance to a stat cap if a unit never reaches it either way(Lute’s Def cap is a good example; Mage Knight has a higher Def cap than Sage, but Lute will never hit either one of those caps without abusing Stat Boosters, so why should we care?).

For another, let us assume for a moment that 20/20 *is* the expected endgame LvL regardless of what mode you’re playing or what size your team is. I would still find Promo Gains to be more significant than stat caps; even assuming 20/20 is plausible, units will not hit their stat caps until they are very high-levelled in most cases, and in fact most units are not expected to hit half their caps even by 20/20. Promo Gains, on the other hand, have been in effect from the very moment the unit promotes, and they remain significant from that point on.

Cormag’s promotions would be a good example; the Wyvern Knight has a 5 point higher Spd cap, and gets 3 more Spd in Promo Gains. At 20/20, the Wyvern Knight averages 3 points higher Spd(26 as opposed to the Wyvern Lord’s 23), and while this is not possible without a higher Spd cap, it would also be impossible without higher Promo Gains in Spd. If the WK got +0 Spd upon promotion, it would average only 24 Spd by 20/20; in reality, the higher cap only gets Cormag one point more Spd, while the higher Promo Gain gets him 3 more points.

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just that I personally think that Ross Berserker is going to be a lot more useful...besides, you have Gerik and he makes a superb hero.

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Their Speed is actually even; Fire weighs 5 and Sage Lute has 4 Constitution and 1 more Speed than the Mage Knight.

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Besides, Light tomes are lighter without too significant of a MT disadvantage.

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The thing is, caps ARE important in this game, because oftentime a character would hit
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Great Shield IS necessary

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which isn't going to change anything because GKs aren't meant to be versatile through speed.

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Once again, I see no logic in this. For one, why does is the Sage one weapon level behind the MK? That makes absolutely no sense, Lute should be at A level Anima by 20/--, so the whole THunder vs. Fire thing is moot, and they can both use Elfire and Fimbultvr...MK does not give better avoid, because Sages have HIGHER SPD than MKs.

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Just because he joins earlier doesn't me he gets to be higher leveled.

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Myrmidons get a lot better stats than Thiefs sicne they actually have SKL, SPD and some POW

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Please tell me you're joking. Generals have 26 SPD cap, GKs have 25.

I got my caps from this site:

http://feonline.simgames.net/?fe=view&id=192


I simply do not have the time to respond to all this at the moment, but I WILL get to it eventually...

WHY ARE ALL THESE UNREGISTERED USERS POPPING OUT OF NOWHERE TO DISAGREE WITH ME?

I sense a conspiracy >.<

oooooooohhhhhhhh DL has you beat newb(not you TS)

I did try to register here, but I still haven't received the confirmation e-mail(after having it sent multiple times), so *shrug*.

Anyway, that site's caps look mostly right to me, but I've got other sources which also say that Female Generals cap Spd at 25, not 26.

http://eaichu250.superbusnet.com/DT/fea.php?&game=8e <--Look at Amelia's caps for the General path.

http://db.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbadvance/file/fire_emblem_8_class.txt <-- Ctrl + F for "Cap Chart"

http://db.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbadvance/file/fire_emblem_8_char_a.txt <-- Ctrl + F for "Amelia". You'll need to hit enter twice to find her stats.

In particular, the numbers on the Angel Sword site were ripped directly from the game's coding. Concrete values(including stat caps) were also verified by dozens of testers. The values there are known to be correct, or at least, moreso than any other data available on the net. I can't really think of any explanation for the error on the site you linked to, except that it was just that, an error.

The unregistered users are here 'cause Simon alerted us and we totally disagree with you.

I'll just bring up one point, because I don't have time to read through all that...

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Just because he joins earlier doesn't me he gets to be higher leveled. Besides, it's not that hard to catch Joshua up, Myrmidons get a lot better stats than Thiefs sicne they actually have SKL, SPD and some POW, as opposed to the sole SPD of the Thief and the patehtic STR that isn't going to get him anywhere anytime soon.

dangit, I forget about this thread and find I have homework (head collapses on FE9 guidebook)

I would also like to point out that the Class FAQ on this very site lists the Female General's Spd cap as 25.

Shush, Bell. Besides, I told you guys to hang back. >_>

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oooooooohhhhhhhh DL has you beat newb

Regardless of that fact, he only has our word that the site has those qualifications, though we ourselves know for a fact that it does. This is why I posted additional sources in addition to the one I find to be most reliable.

That is true. I restated it for that reason: more than one person's word on it. I dunno if just the two of us really counts (given that we're both on the same side and the opponent hasn't stated anything in approval to this), but two people in agreeance with a fact like that lends more credibility than one, if only a little.