Good idea. Let's confine this to one topic.
quote1.ross should be a beserker because he gets a critical bonus being a beserker.
Ross, of all people, shouldn't need a boost to Crit. Swords, meanwhile, help him avoid WTD from dangerus units like Hard Mode Swordmasters (aka enemies who
double him). Honestly, 25+ Strength with Axes is not going to need a critical to kill things.
quote2.super pupil because he gets to use all magics and has more magic capacity than a sage(at least mine did that.)
If you're desperate to get more magic, just use the Control Enemy Glitch to get Dark Magic on your Sage so you have all magics and staves. As for magic cap, I think they're the same. Meanwhile, Sage has more Constitution and (IIRC) Defense due to promotion gains.
quote3. don't use seth unless you can't get past a chapter, but if you can't do that,arena aduse
Have you guys even seen Seth's averages?
Seth ??/10:
HP: 38
Str: 18
Skl: 17
Spd: 16
Lck: 15
Def: 14
Res: 10
No really high stats, granted, but no weaknesses either. Now, check his ??/20 averages:
HP: 47
Str: 23
Skl: 21
Spd: 20
Lck: 17
Def: 18
Res: 13
He's got high Defense, Strength, Speed, and Skill with decent Luck and, for a physical unit, Resistance. His HP is a bit low, but with his stats, 47 HP certainly isn't bad.
Honestly, Seth is vastly underrated here.
quote4.lute should be a sage because she gets to use light magic as well as anima and staves.
She loses 2 AS from Lightning and only needs it for WTA against spellcasters she can either OHKO or watch them go TINK. Meanwhile, her offense is better as a Mage Knight due to Thunder and higher Magic gain on promotion coupled with 1 more Move and mounted bonuses.
quote5.Artur should be a bishop because he can kick Formtis's sorry ass as one.
He also does better throughout the game as a Sage due to having Thunder instead of Shine. I'd take being better everywhere except the final boss over being worse everywhere except the final boss.
quote6.tana and Vanessa should be both wyvern kight's but that is just because i like like wyverns, wait no i love wyverns
Well, that's your personal preference, so I can't argue against it. I will say that Swords > Pierce and thus Falcon Knight > Wyvern Knight.
quote7.Franz could go either way but he can move further when he is a paladin, and you need a replacement due to the fact that seth is a sucky lv.20 paldin compared to franz as a lv. 20 Paladin
O RLY?
Franz 20/20:
HP: 52
Str: 22
Skl: 21
Spd: 23
Lck: 17
Def: 17
Res: 9
Seth beats him in Strength by 1, Defense by 1, and Resistance by 4. Franz bats him in HP by 5, Skill by 1, and Speed by 2. Franz pulls a narrow win here, but Seth has higher stats until the lategame, so Seth wins.
I prefer Franz anyway due to his Axes accessibility as a Great Knight. Franz should go Great Knight because he does very well with Axes due to his high Speed and Skill (made even better by the Great Knight's higher Speed bonus on promotion).
quote8.i can see why you chose amelia to be a great knight but i think it suits her to be a general because she is stronger, but great knights move further. you could go either way. that is all i have to say.that is why i said what i said.
Generals have slightly better stats, but it's so much harder to train an underlevelled Knight than an underlevelled Cavalier that I'd prefer the ease of training. Plus, Great Knights' Speed caps don't murder Amelia's growth.
quoteBut not for criticals.
As stated earlier in this post, why the heck does [s]Ross[/s] need a critical?
quoteEwan Druid is a better option, since Druids can use Anima in this game, and have better caps overall for a magic units. Super Trainee is also a choice because of the all three magics.
The caps don't matter in Ewan's case because according to Eaichu's averages [
http://eaichu250.superbusnet.com/DT/fea.php?game=8e], Ewan doesn't cap anything except the Mage Knight's Magic cap at 20/20. Granted, Druids have Thunder as well as Sages and they have decent Speed, but Sage Ewan can use Excalibur while Druid Ewan is stuck with the cruddy Gleipnir tome. All three magics aren't needed given how badly Anima beats down the other two, but if you're desperate for them, use the Control Enemy Glitch and get your Sage Dark Magic.
quoteYou shouldn't use either of them, Paladins have crappy stats, if you have to use Kyle, go Great Knight.
Crappy stats? Excuse me?
Franz - Great Knight 20/10
HP: 45
Str: 20
Skl: 17
Spd: 22
Lck: 13
Def: 15
Res: 7
Franz is the perfect offensive machine with >20 Strength and Speed. His defenses are solid thanks to his 57 Avoid and 45 HP. Overall, quite the good unit with no weaknesses save for magic (and even then, you'd need a really strong enemy to put Franz in danger).
quoteNo, don't bother with Forde. Nor Franz. Kyle is the only halfway decent Cavalier.
Let me compare Kyle and Franz at 20/10, endgame level for the campaign.
Kyle - Great Knight 20/10
HP: 47
Str: 22
Skl: 16
Spd: 18
Lck: 10
Def: 16
Res: 6
Franz is reliably doubling slower Hard Mode Swordmasters; Kyle is not. Franz is capable of dodging spellcasters; Ke is not. Kyle's only defensive advantages are 2 HP and 1 Defense. Offensively, he trades 4 AS for 2 Strength; not a winning trade. Franz also has minutely higher Crit and Hit, but they're insignificant.
As for Forde, he's a slightly toned down Franz. You can check the averages yourself at the site I mentioned earlier in the post.
quoteYou're a moron. Seth maybe good by JEIGAN standards, but he still sucks compared to REAL units.
OK, let's compare Seth to your beloved Kyle. I'd expect Seth to be at ??/15 by the time Kyle hits 20/10, since he has a level advantage throughout the game.
Seth 20/15:
HP: 42
Str: 21
Skl: 19
Spd: 18
Lck: 16
Def: 16
Res: 12
Kyle 20/10:
HP: 47
Str: 22
Skl: 16
Spd: 18
Lck: 10
Def: 16
Res: 6
Kyle barely wins offense (by a mere point in Strength), but Seth stomps him in defense (6 Res and Avd against 5 HP). Seth is quite clearly superior.
And this is before factoring supports, which further works in Seth's favor (as he has an Anima x Fire support with Cormag and Garcia and an Anima x Light support with Eirika against Kyle's Ice x Fire support with Ephraim and Ice x Anima support with Lute).
quoteARe you stupid? MAge KNight - 25 MAG. Sage-30 MAG.
Lute will have more Attack for most of the game due to higher Constitution allowing her to get Thunder without AS loss and a higher Magic gain on promotion. Lute has to get 29 Magic - achieved at, according to the site mentioned earlier, 20/19. Lute shouldn't ever hit 20/19 by the end of campaign mode.
quoteBut Slayer > Monsters. And Male Sages have wimpy MAG.
Artur with Thunder has moe Attack against the dangerous enemies - Hard Mode Great Knights, Generals, and Warriors - where as Slayer Artur with Lightning has more Attack against less dangerous foes like Wights and Deathgoyles. The only enemies Bishop Artur has a distinct advantage against are Dracozombies, and there's only three of those in the game counting Morva. I'd take superiority against Great Knights, Warriors, and Generals over superiority against Dracozombies.
As for Magic, male Bishops receive one more point of Magic on promotion, but they still can't beat male Sages with Thunder in terms of Attack. Sages have, on the other hand, a Magic cap three points higher than the Bishop.
quoteMoulder should never be a part of your team. Vanessa should be a FalcoKnight and TAna a Wyvern Knight.
You're kidding, right? Moulder at 20/10 with Elfire has 29 Attack when supported with Vanessa and Gilliam. That targets Resistance, as well, which is usually a better thing to hit. Plus, it's coming off of 19 Attack Speed, higher than Kyle's. He also has 16 Defense with A Vanessa Gilliam, making him the spellcaster's equivalent of a physical tank.
Tana should be a Falcon Knight for the reasons above justifying Falcon Knight > Wyvern Knight.
quoteHaha..no. Swordmasters are a godly class. Critical boosts plus untouchable SKL and SPD means that they're extremely versatile. NEimi and Moulder suck ass, and if you think they replace Joshua, you're a moron. Joshua has much nicer supports, because he has Natasha. Colm has crappy offensive stats.
Watch this.
5/0 Joshua
24.0 Hp
8.0 Str
13.0 Skl
14.0 Spd
7.0 Luck
5.0 Def
2.0 Res
8 Con
6/0 Colm
21.0 Hp
5.6 Str
5.6 Skl
12.6 Spd
9.8 Luck
4.0 Def
1.8 Res
6 Con
C Neimi
Colm has a durability advantage(3 Dodge vs 3 Hp), but it's almost completely insignificant. He's trailing in Atk and AS by one after Supports, and Hit by 7, not to mention Joshua's Con lead. At this point, Joshua is clearly superior, but the lead isn't particularly impressive.
10/0 Joshua
28.0 Hp
9.8 Str
15.8 Skl
16.8 Spd
8.5 Luck
6.0 Def
3.0 Res
8 Con
C Natasha
12/0 Colm
25.5 Hp
8.0 Str
8.0 Skl
16.5 Spd
12.5 Luck
5.5 Def
3.0 Res
6 Con
A Neimi
As far as Joshua's Natasha Support goes, I'm not certain about it; I could see either a C or a B plausible in Chapter 9. However, Colm should have a C with Moulder by now if they're Supporting, and this counteracts the possibility of Joshua/Natasha B.
Hm, 9 Dodge and 0.5 Def or 2.5 Hp, pretty easy to see that Colm's defense is stronger. A Neimi also allows him to beat Joshua in Dmg by one. Joshua has a minute Hit lead(4 points), but Colm's got a 9 point Crit lead, so the two weaker stats are a win for him anyway.
15/0 Joshua
32.0 Hp
11.5 Str
18.4 Skl
19.1 Spd
10.0 Luck
7.0 Def
4.0 Res
8 Con
A Natasha
18/0 Colm
30.0 Hp
10.4 Str
10.4 Skl
19.4 Spd
15.2 Luck
7.0 Def
4.2 Res
6 Con
A Neimi
If you're playing Eir Route, Joshua may Support Gerik, and Artur's not out of the question either. However, Colm has Kyle and Moulder as possibilities, and he gains more from Supporting them than Joshua does from Gerik or Artur, so ignoring secondary Supports is being nice to the Myrmidon.
Anyway, we still see a clear durability advantage for Colm(5 more Dodge, 1 more Def, to Josh's 2 Hp). He's also still got roughly a point of Dmg on Joshua(13.4 to 12.5). Joshua has a big Hit lead, but this doesn't particularly impress me. Same thing with Colm's 6 point Crit lead. Overall, there is little difference offensively at this point.
Throughout these comparisons, Colm also has the advantage of an additional point of Move.
20/1 SM Joshua
41.0 Hp
15.2 Str
20.0 Skl
20.0 Spd
11.5 Luck
10.0 Def
6.0 Res
9 Con
A Natasha
20/2 Assassin Colm
35.3 Hp
12.6 Str
11.6 Skl
20.6 Spd
16.6 Luck
9.7 Def
6.8 Res
8 Con
A Neimi
7 Dodge vs 6 Hp in defenses, which is a win for Colm, but still not a big one. Colm also has about a point of Res over Joshua, but this isn't significant.
On the offensive front, Joshua barely manages an Atk lead(0.6), while losing in AS by the same amount. No big differences.
20/10 SM Joshua
48.2 Hp
18.4 Str
25.0 Skl
24.9 Spd
14.2 Luck
11.8 Def
7.8 Res
9 Con
A Natasha
20/12 Assassin Colm
42.7 Hp
16.5 Str
15.6 Skl
21.0 Luck
27.1 Spd
12.2 Def
8.8 Res
8 Con
A Neimi
The Atk difference is completely insignificant(.1 in Colm's favor). Colm's AS lead comes in handy for doubling Gwyllgis, but Joshua should be doubling everything else either way. Joshua has leads in Hit and Crit, against Colm's Silencer. Hard to say which is more valuable, but it doesn't matter much either way.
Meanwhile, Colm takes a clear defensive lead by the endgame, with his Dodge lead doubling Joshua's Hp advantage.
Of the 5 comparisons, I count one point for Josh, three for Colm, and one indecisive. Colm wins overall.
And that's all
before factoring in Colm's utility value as a Rogue.
quoteNot a good choice, Franz shouldnt' be used, and your Great Knight should be Kyle because his growths match the GK's stat caps perfectly.
Already proven that Franz > Kyle above.
quotePrepromote = bad.
So I guess Pent and Harken from FE7 suck too, huh?
quoteGeneral is arguable the best melee class, with all three weapon traingle AND Great Shield.
Amelia doesn't need Great Shield when she dodges everything under the sun.
quoteThat alone is enough for me to murder you. Ross is a great beserker, just give him a killer axe and no boss can stand his might. Joshua is the perfect choice for swords, if Ross is having problems because of the weapons triangle he can just get a swordslayer or whatever its called.
Then you need to calm down. Hero Ross with a Killer Axe is killing quite a few enemies in one round anyway. Swords aren't used as his primary; they're pulled out to avoid WTD against Swords, much like how Light is only used on Ewan as an anti-WTD measure against Gorgons and Druids. If Berserker Ross gets the Swordslayer, so does Hero Ross. Oops, Hero Ross gets WTA against Swords, Axes, and Lances now.
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