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Aulis Vaara <3 karma Relentless total posts: 9369 since: Mar 2002	Jan 31, 13 at 9:44am ^ re: Game of the Decade????
	Log in to remove this sponsored message quote Demonfurby But to dismiss a game because it's something different, and arguably better? Definitely more popular and influential with imo better mechanics for what it's trying to do (shooting vs scaring). I don't see why she can't call it the best game of the decade. Keyword: arguably. Resident Evil 4 wasn't that great a game. It's not a bad game, but not a great one either. Especially the splitting of the fanbase is why it doesn't deserve to have game of the decade, though. Well, splitting is really the wrong word. Abandoning your fanbase to go after a bigger but different one is not something that should be lauded. ------------------- What will you fight for? ~ The Neo-Duelist League ~ My Role-Player Profile ~
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Demonfurby a charm, a blade NeoXtreme since: Dec 2005	Jan 31, 13 at 10:17am ^ re: Game of the Decade????
	quote Aulis Vaara quote Demonfurby But to dismiss a game because it's something different, and arguably better? Definitely more popular and influential with imo better mechanics for what it's trying to do (shooting vs scaring). I don't see why she can't call it the best game of the decade. Keyword: arguably. Resident Evil 4 wasn't that great a game. It's not a bad game, but not a great one either. Especially the splitting of the fanbase is why it doesn't deserve to have game of the decade, though. Well, splitting is really the wrong word. Abandoning your fanbase to go after a bigger but different one is not something that should be lauded. So Half Life 2 deserves it when Valve has effectively abandoned their fanbase with all this valve time shit but RE4 doesn't when they deliver a great, albeit different, game? ------------------- really cool free game
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Aulis Vaara <3 karma Relentless total posts: 9369 since: Mar 2002	Jan 31, 13 at 11:40am ^ re: Game of the Decade????
	They didn't do it by making Half-Life 2. And it's not Resident Evil 4's only flaw: the game is one big escort mission, a gameplay type hated by many, frustrating quick time events, etc. ------------------- What will you fight for? ~ The Neo-Duelist League ~ My Role-Player Profile ~
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Demonfurby a charm, a blade NeoXtreme since: Dec 2005	Jan 31, 13 at 11:56am ^ re: Game of the Decade????
	Episode 3 was supposed to be released almost 6 years ago. But let's ignore that. For PC users, HL2 required installing Steam, which when first released, was one of the worst things any PC gamer had to experience when it came to gaming. They were giving their fans something they weren't expecting in a beloved series people were excited about seeing revolutionized. Sounds familiar. quote the game is one big escort mission Have you played it? You're only saddled by Ashley about 1/3 of the time and there's always a safe place to keep her in any given area. The only frustrating thing about the qte's is the cutscene with Krauser. What exactly is etc? ------------------- really cool free game
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KR_1250 Custom Title Goes Here. Neolithic total posts: 6304 since: Apr 2006	Feb 01, 13 at 12:17am ^ re: Game of the Decade????
	quote Demonfurby I don't know, maybe I'm letting my opinion get too much in the way. But I've played alot of shooters and re4's pick and pop, body part based shooting system is great and way better than most shooters before it could do. Still incredibly fun to play, in a vacuum. I think we both/all are. Hey, we are gamers, we love games. We cant help letting some emotion creep in. Upon re-reading other topics i realised many of my own comments are ambiguously subjective/objective. I think i also get far too hung up on it. From now on i'll just try to assume everyone is talking subjectively. Makes life easier. quote Like what? I'm up for a discussion. First of let me re-adjust what i said earlier. Code Veronica was actually the game which first put me off the franchise. RE4 is what nailed the coffin. Just had to say that. And mneh... I'm hesitant. I actually left a previous forum over an RE4 discussion LOL. Ah here goes, why not. I'll just list things point by point as inoffensively as i can. First of all the stuff i did like: - The guns. Awesome. Mauser Red 9? 12guage? Brilliant. Infact the entire weapons and shooting system was great. - That "pick and pop" style play you mentioned was excellent fun. - Over shoulder view worked well for combat purposes. I'll come back to this. - That big Rasputin Monk looking motherfuer was well good. Loved the part where you battled him after his spine extended and his "rib fingers" as my brother called them popped out. Good ol' classic resident evil that. - Those large insect type enemies were excellent. Really threatening looking and reminded me of "The Fly" movie. Kinda creepy. - Chainsaw blokes. OK so bad movie cliche' and were shoehorned in with little explenation but hey, guy chasing you with a chainsaw? Pretty cool anyway. The bad stuff in as chronological an order as i can remember, oh, and all in my very subjective and personal opinion LOL: - Presidents daughter story line. I just dont fing care. Wanted her dead immediately. Destroyed any interest i had in the story pretty much from the get go. Spent many a game reload shooting her on purpose. Not only was it a terrible storyline, it made no sense, was completely illogical and I immediatelty hated her weak "damsel in destress" kind of character. - Who are all these poor Spanish people? Have they been attacked by zombies? Have i tor escue them? Wait... they ARE the zombies? OK. Most unthreatening enemies in a horror game for me. Almost felt bad killing the dirty peasants. I spent that entire game waiting for zombies... - Rural spain... OK. Why? You know what? Dont care why. - Fish monster. Its... just a big fish. And Leon suddenly adopts the spirit of Captain Ahab to kill it. Mneh... I found it stupid. If you had stopped me whilst firing my 12" Magnum at the final form Birkin in Resident evil 2 and told me that i'd soon be throwing harpoons at a big fish, i'd have slapped you. - That little Napoleon Bonapart looking guy. WHY?! Just why?! Terrible character. Felt like an easter egg kinda joke almost. He was bordeline cute and lovable. And what did he turn into? A giant disguisting blob of tenticles, a 7ft monster with claws who's on fire? No. A giant... flower? How... sweet. - "Hammer Horror" Cliche castle. Just reminded me of dysneys "Mickey Mouse and the castle of illusion" on sega megadrive. Felt like an old dusty throwback to the days when horror movies were not scary. I wanted labs, cities, industrial locations, apocalyptic scenes of mass devestation. Not a "spooky" Scooby doo castle in a picturesque spanish forest. Utterly destroyed any tension for me. So dissapointed that capcom went there. - Suits of armour attacking you. So, so aweful. I dont even want to comment any more. I'll just rant and swear and punch my monitor. - Krauser fight. No. Just no. Ever. In any game please. QTE's in general were reason enough for me never to have replayed the game after completion. Maybe they have a place in some games. But not resident evil. - Aww how could i forget. The "Merchant". Some random east londoner who just conveniantly manages to traverse the disease and zombie infested lands without any trouble. Shite character. Really annoyed me. Totally out of place. Felt like a character from "Monkey Island" or something. What... the... fk. I have other less specific, sort of more general problems with it too: - Not scary. In its entirety. At all. Again just personally i am stunned that adult human beings found ANY of this game scary. Hey maybe if you have a pre-existing fear of dogs then OK. Or you are allergic to peasants and poor people then its understandable. I cant even think of what bit COULD HAVE BEEN scary. Even the sound and music were more action oriented. And some of it (Massive fish, napoleon bonapart, suits of armour) was borderline funny. Or would have been if i hadnt been crying with dissapointment. - Quick time events. I hate them, some like them. But they utterly destroyed the pacing of the game for me. Just felt like running into a brick wall every once in a while. Horrific idea. Absolutely horrific. Reduced me to a swearing screaming mess. One of the primary reasons i never replayed the game. - Overall story. For me previous games have had a great story implimented in a rather corny and cheesy way. I can see past that. But IMO this was a bleeping aweful story presented terribly. Krauser bloke shoehroned in, Presidents daughter who i'd have just shot, bizarre fantasy characters and settings. Virus replaced with "Las Plagas" How conveniant. Bleurgh. No interest what so ever. - Over shoulder view. OK it worked. And it worked well for shooting purposes. but it wasnt scary. it made me feel too in control, too reponsive and too much like a standard shooter. The old camera angles were used specifically to create tension. Remember seeing that leg sticking out, or catching a glimpse by a window? I'd have had the entire game shot from external RE1 style views which then switch to a shoulder view at the press of a button. Or made far more use of external cameras during non combat areas. There was also something very artistic about previous games. The static rendered backgrounds were awesome and the camera angles enhanced this. Foggy forest gets fing old, f*ing fast. I'll end here because im pissing myself off even thinking about some of this LOL. Please people, dont retort being all pissy at me. Im just being honest. I have had enough bad experiences "discussing" this game. But y'know what demonfurby, I feel like i have just spoken to a psychiatrist. Phew... i had to get some of that stuff out. 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Aulis Vaara <3 karma Relentless total posts: 9369 since: Mar 2002	Feb 01, 13 at 1:16am ^ re: Game of the Decade????
	quote Demonfurby Episode 3 was supposed to be released almost 6 years ago. How is this even relevant? A game can't win game of the year because they never made a sequel to a sequel to a sequel to the game? quote Demonfurby But let's ignore that. For PC users, HL2 required installing Steam, which when first released, was one of the worst things any PC gamer had to experience when it came to gaming. They were giving their fans something they weren't expecting in a beloved series people were excited about seeing revolutionized. Sounds familiar. Meta-applications have nothing to do with the quality of the game. These are merely external factors. Furthermore, Steam was an alternative to having to always put the cd in your cd-drive. Sure, many disliked it, but it was a worthy experiment that only added to the game. Even if you don't like those additions (most people do, or not every game would have achievements now), you can't claim that it made the game worse. quote Demonfurby Have you played it? No, I like judging games that I have no idea about. I totally care about bad games that I've never played. I don't need disappointment or anything to motivate me, I just love to spend the four hours of free time I have in a day raging on internet forums about games that I know nothing about. quote Demonfurby You're only saddled by Ashley about 1/3 of the time and there's always a safe place to keep her in any given area. The only frustrating thing about the qte's is the cutscene with Krauser. Many people hate all QTE's. I don't, but the only time I've seen any done well was in Prince Of Persia: The Two Thrones, and that was because they were part of gameplay and not cutscenes. At least, that was a large part of it. The other part was that they weren't freaking random and thus you could actually learn to get better at them. As for the escort mission, well, the whiny girl nagging at your head for 1/3 of the game still felt like too much. quote Demonfurby What exactly is etc? Et cetera. It's Latin, it means: and so on. ------------------- What will you fight for? ~ The Neo-Duelist League ~ My Role-Player Profile ~
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KR_1250 Custom Title Goes Here. Neolithic total posts: 6304 since: Apr 2006	Feb 01, 13 at 1:28am ^ re: Game of the Decade????
	Aulis Vaara and demonfurby This is a clash of the sarcastic titans if ever i have seen one LOL. Very entertaining. Also Aulis Vaara im one of those who hates QTE's outright. The only game I ever played which implimented them well was "Fharenheit" on PS2. And even then they went way OTT with them towards the end. I suppose Mass Effect used them to decent effect when hacking locked container aswell. Players could also opt to avoid them altogether so i let them away with it. But i never want to see them in any game ever again preferably. I see them as lazy. Especially the way they were used in RE4. Its as if they couldnt be bothered creating a natural feeling melee combat or threat avoidance system so just said "f**k it, stick some QTE's in".
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Demonfurby a charm, a blade NeoXtreme since: Dec 2005	Feb 01, 13 at 4:45am ^ re: Game of the Decade????
	quote Aulis Vaara How is this even relevant? A game can't win game of the year because they never made a sequel to a sequel to a sequel to the game? Because you were mentioning disappointing a fanbase as criteria as to why a game shouldn't receive attention and accolades. And Episode 3 isn't a sequel, it's an expansion to the overall of HL2 quote Meta-applications have nothing to do with the quality of the game. And neither do genre changes. Like I said above, I was comparing disappointment in fanbases. quote These are merely external factors. Furthermore, Steam was an alternative to having to always put the cd in your cd-drive. Sure, many disliked it, but it was a worthy experiment that only added to the game. Even if you don't like those additions (most people do, or not every game would have achievements now), . At the time people hated and that's the perspective you need to look at it from. quote you can't claim that it made the game worse It made the experience worse for many people, no doubt, and that's what a game comes down to, right? quote No, I like judging games that I have no idea about. I totally care about bad games that I've never played. I don't need disappointment or anything to motivate me, I just love to spend the four hours of free time I have in a day raging on internet forums about games that I know nothing about. You don't need to act like that. I asked because every argument you made made it seem like you've only ever read other people's complaints about the game when in reality what you pointed out were small hindrances even to the staunchest haters of qte's and baby sitting quote Many people hate all QTE's. I don't, but the only time I've seen any done well was in Prince Of Persia: The Two Thrones, and that was because they were part of gameplay and not cutscenes. Except most of the qte's were part of the gameplay. Maybe every five (and that's stretching it) cutscenes had qte's and they were the only ones in the scene. quote At least, that was a large part of it. The other part was that they weren't freaking random and thus you could actually learn to get better at them. Are you talking about RE4's because I remember on my first playthrough they were pretty damn easy to pass. And saying that, if you failed you only went back a second in the scene right before the qte and you could easily get it then. quote As for the escort mission, well, the whiny girl nagging at your head for 1/3 of the game still felt like too much. It seems like you're just reaching now. If you kept her behind you or in a safe corner (and in most areas there were) she didn't say a thing. Her whining was only when she was captured or hit. quote Et cetera. It's Latin, it means: and so on. I know, I meant what else were you talking about KR_1250 that sounded cathartic for you lol. I agree about the narrative. Everything about it is bad. I can't remember the last time I actually went through that game and watched the cutscenes. Dialogue was cringey, voice acting was forced, story was full of holes and a bunch more. But I'll address some things from what I remember. quote Who are all these poor Spanish people? Have they been attacked by zombies? Have i tor escue them? Wait... they ARE the zombies? OK. Most unthreatening enemies in a horror game for me. Almost felt bad killing the dirty peasants. I spent that entire game waiting for zombies... They were purposely infected by the Illuminados for their cult iirc. They were one of the few things I liked. I liked that they were intelligent and worked together and weren't just mindless zombies. They actually got hurt when you shot them. You were supposed to feel bad for them when you found out they were used like that. quote Rural spain... OK. Why? You know what? Dont care why. Just where their cult originated. I think the setting was just to instill some fear like "no one's coming, it's just me in the middle of nowhere." Not too bad imo quote Fish monster. Its... just a big fish. And Leon suddenly adopts the spirit of Captain Ahab to kill it I actually really liked that boss. I don't get why the people on the boat before you didn't get eaten, or why they kept harpoons on it when they could seemingly control it, but bleep it. I thought it was a pretty cool boss battle. Repetitive but a good experience. quote "Hammer Horror" Cliche castle. Just reminded me of dysneys "Mickey Mouse and the castle of illusion" on sega megadrive. Felt like an old dusty throwback to the days when horror movies were not scary. I wanted labs, cities, industrial locations, apocalyptic scenes of mass devestation. Not a "spooky" Scooby doo castle in a picturesque spanish forest. Utterly destroyed any tension for me. So dissapointed that capcom went there. It was the hq of the cult. Definitely cliche, but eh, so's a spooky mansion. Capcom has never been the best at writing. quote Krauser fight. No. Just no. Ever. In any game please. QTE's in general were reason enough for me never to have replayed the game after completion. Maybe they have a place in some games. But not resident evil. I bleeping hated that cutscene so bad. Worst part of the game. I don't like qte's either, think they're lazy development (with the exception of pressing a button or combination of buttons in the gameplay to dodge or counter, those are fine). Other than that cutscene though, I didn't think they were that bad. At least there wasn't any boulder punching, right? quote Aww how could i forget. The "Merchant". Some random east londoner who just conveniantly manages to traverse the disease and zombie infested lands without any trouble. Shite character. Really annoyed me. Totally out of place. Felt like a character from "Monkey Island" or something. What... the... fk. It was hinted at that he was infected himself (he had the same eyes as ganodos, mutated hands, and the ganodos didn't attack him when nearby) but had enough control as to not attack on sight and actually dealt with Leon. Didn't like that he went unexplained throughout the game, but I thought he was pretty funny. Damn that was long ------------------- really cool free game**
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haalyle I don't like Leon -_- s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1799 neopoints: 104 since: Aug 2011	Feb 01, 13 at 1:59pm ^ re: Game of the Decade????
	quote Aulis Vaara quote haalyle Only games that stick out for me this Decades are GTA: SA and RE4. The other games just didn't cut it. So many good games, and you picked the Resident Evil that ruined the franchise... First RE game I played. I played the others, but this is my most favourite I play it everyday, ignore all the other games. I don't think it ruined the franchise. ------------------- "One last drink and the bottle breaks, returning us to the dust from wence we came" "May evil befall the person who disturbs this holy grail"
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Short Circuit Neo or Bust since: Apr 2004	Feb 02, 13 at 4:10am ^ re: Game of the Decade????
	I generally don't mind quicktime events. The ones that annoy me are button mashing ones. Actually, button mashing in general annoys the hell out of me. Why is it that you have to jam the button ten times per second in every game that includes it? I can't press that rapidly without taking my hand off the controller and vibrating my arm. It's not a skill, and serves no purpose other than to make my arm sore. -------------------
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AznLiquid no hespect NeoXtreme total posts: 8530 neopoints: 325 GameGrep pts: 414 since: Jan 2003	Feb 02, 13 at 3:19pm ^ re: Game of the Decade????
	Half-Life 2 gets my vote for "Game of the Decade". If you polled game developers themselves, I'd bet HL2 will come out on top, that game really gets respect from other developers. ------------------- train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day
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Short Circuit Neo or Bust since: Apr 2004	Feb 03, 13 at 5:51am ^ re: Game of the Decade????
	quote AznLiquid Half-Life 2 gets my vote for "Game of the Decade". If you polled game developers themselves, I'd bet HL2 will come out on top, that game really gets respect from other developers. I've never played Half Life, but GRAVITY GUN! -------------------
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KR_1250 Custom Title Goes Here. Neolithic total posts: 6304 since: Apr 2006	Feb 04, 13 at 12:52am ^ re: Game of the Decade????
	quote Demonfurby KR_1250 that sounded cathartic for you lol. Very much so LOL. quote They were purposely infected by the Illuminados for their cult iirc. They were one of the few things I liked. I liked that they were intelligent and worked together and weren't just mindless zombies. They actually got hurt when you shot them. You were supposed to feel bad for them when you found out they were used like that. Nah i get that. I just lack any kind of human empathy in video games without a real good reason. I didnt feel bad for them. But my main problem was the lack of any kind of fear they caused. They were more tragically funny than scary for me. quote Just where their cult originated. I think the setting was just to instill some fear like "no one's coming, it's just me in the middle of nowhere." Not too bad imo Nah not game breakingly terrible setting, just felt really random. And with the endless foggy trees it felt kinda like a fantasy location. It just didnt strike me perosnally. quote I actually really liked that boss. I don't get why the people on the boat before you didn't get eaten, or why they kept harpoons on it when they could seemingly control it, but bleep it. I thought it was a pretty cool boss battle. Repetitive but a good experience. I think we just disagree here LOL. Not my thing. I know RE has a history with giant mutated monsters but this was just one too far for me. Again was way more funny than scary. quote It was the hq of the cult. Definitely cliche, but eh, so's a spooky mansion. Capcom has never been the best at writing. POint taken about the mansion. But the mansion was just touching the horror cliche and no more. That castle had scooby doo written all over it. When the suits of armour attacked i literally dropped my controller in disgust. Just not for me. was half expecting one of those scooby doo corridor scenes with Wesker and Leson chasing the presidents daughter through a bunch of dodgy corridors to some cheesy 70's beach music. "And i would have got away with it if it wernt for you meddling overused characters from previous games" quote I bleeping hated that cutscene so bad. Worst part of the game. I don't like qte's either, think they're lazy development (with the exception of pressing a button or combination of buttons in the gameplay to dodge or counter, those are fine). Other than that cutscene though, I didn't think they were that bad. At least there wasn't any boulder punching, right? Yeah i dont think the frequencey of QTE's was actually too OTT. I just hate them as a general rule. And that Krauser fight was just taking the piss. quote It was hinted at that he was infected himself (he had the same eyes as ganodos, mutated hands, and the ganodos didn't attack him when nearby) but had enough control as to not attack on sight and actually dealt with Leon. Didn't like that he went unexplained throughout the game, but I thought he was pretty funny. Bleurgh. I dunno. Agree that he was funny, but i dont really want funny in an RE game. Not that outwardly obvious anyway. I just cant defend his appearance in the game unfortunately. First thing i'd have said if i was Leon is "Hold on, who the f**k are you?" Leon doesnt even inquire as to wither or not he works for Umbrella. he just trusts him emphatically. I guess when it coems down to it i found much of the game funny rather than scary. My biggest problem with RE4 was that it just wasnt scary. It tried too hard. Silent hill does scary atmosphere, RE does shit jumping out of closets. Thats the way it should be. Oh. And no zombies. -5 for that right away. Just a personal thing.
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Kave En Arcane Operations true seeker total posts: 1193 GameGrep pts: 661 since: Sep 2006	Feb 04, 13 at 8:35am ^ re: Game of the Decade????
	Mass Effect, no doubt. -------------------
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