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carous Elambra
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re: Why not religion?
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Dude I'm 8 years older than you and I've gone through the same thing. Nothing happens by force, faith has to come from within. Respect your family's practises, and dont abandon what you know is right.
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carous Elambra
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re: Why not religion?
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quote DG
carouselambraAh but there you are wrong. Plenty of things happen by force, especially when Islam is involved. I'm not saying that the thread creator's family are like that, but Muslims are unfortunately well known for such activities. As for what he knows is right, it's clear he doesn't "know" that Islam is right. He thinks it isn't right. He would be abandoning what he thinks is false. Bad translation man, what I mean is nothing happens by difficulty. You can't pressure someone into believing. You only nurture their resentment.
Islam is just a word, thread creator needs to think about what Islam teaches. I don't call myself Muslim because I don't follow the word of the 4 Holy Books to the letter. But I still understand and apply a lot of the values and practises.
You don't know what he thinks is right, neither do I. Just live a righteous life, that's all you need.
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carous Elambra
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re: Why not religion?
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quote DG
And why should one need to live a righteous life?
I would say live an ENJOYABLE life, as long as you don't harm anyone else.
Live a righteous one first.
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carous Elambra
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re: Why not religion?
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quote Vermillion
In the very end, what is "righteous" and what is not is subjective.
That question is what's important.
quoteLive an enjoyable life as long as you don't harm anyone else. It really all resumes to that. Live and let live.
How about people who enjoy harming others...you would have to harm them to stop them. What sort of a virtue is it to "enjoy" yourself if you cap it off with a condition or list of circumstantial morals?
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carous Elambra
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quote carouselambra
How about people who enjoy harming others...you would have to harm them to stop them. What sort of a virtue is it to "enjoy" yourself if you cap it off with a condition or list of circumstantial morals? Not harming other is not "circumstantial morals" empathy is built into out DNA. And you can stop others from harming people with out harming them, we have come up with many humane methods of law enforcement. Of course some people still perfere the more barbaric methods... not mentioning any names *cough* DG *cough* Most of the time, sure. But ultimatly it will come down to enjoyment versus safety. I respect the idea, but I think it's idealistic. Not everyone is going to share the sentiment, if you want to protect the enjoyment and safety of the people close to you, imo you have to be prepared to harm people who are going to prey on them. There's too many psychopaths in the real world to not realistically be able to say "Hey just have a great time guys" especially if you're talking about children or the vulnerable.
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carous Elambra
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re: Why not religion?
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quote Rome
quote carouselambra
How about people who enjoy harming others...you would have to harm them to stop them. What sort of a virtue is it to "enjoy" yourself if you cap it off with a condition or list of circumstantial morals?
Preventing joy that comes from the harm of others is hardly a conflict with the standard of enjoying yourself without harming others.  Then you must be a hypocrite, because no-one said anything about prevention to begin with. The more explanation it needs, shit we're gonna end up with a whole book.
Live Righteous
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carous Elambra
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quote Rome
I believe the existence of genies is one of easier false bits of Islam.
"[Iblîs (Satan)] said: "I am not the one to prostrate myself to a human being, whom You created from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud." What was the dinosaur to the mammal? What was the neanderthal to the Homo Erectus?
What is the unexplainable nature of mankind?
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carous Elambra
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quote DG
quote carouselambra
quote Rome
I believe the existence of genies is one of easier false bits of Islam.
"[Iblîs (Satan)] said: "I am not the one to prostrate myself to a human being, whom You created from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud." What was the dinosaur to the mammal? What was the neanderthal to the Homo Erectus?
What is the unexplainable nature of mankind? I fail to see why you posted this. I don't mean to be overly pedantic, but I think the fact you fail to see is what is the issue. The difference between the Abrahamic Religions is not their God, it's their devils.
The Jin is an interpretation of forces unknown to man. In order to understand them, you will have to engage with the world around you.
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carous Elambra
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Well yeah except for like, you know, all forms of offspring.
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carous Elambra
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quote DG
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Well yeah except for like, you know, all forms of offspring.
Well, duh.
Then all it is is a chicken and egg argument. How can life evolve from nothing versus how could it exist to evolve in the first place.
I think there was a catalyst on our Planet, similar to the Big Bang itself, which sparked the first retarded forms of protozoa from basic bacterias, formed from basic radioactive elements. Whatever it was, it does not happen often. Unless, on the off chance, it's always happening as a product of a stable planetary environment, and the protozoan seeds of a new race are brewing in some volcanos somewhere that will inherit the Planet in a few Hundred million years, when all life as we know it has finished. *bleep* knows.
Until our technology is advanced enough to measure the influencing variables, imo, it is justifiable to blindly worship whatever caused it as an act of creation.
The forces that then shaped the various species, well I mean yeah sure, Science teaches us about them. But Science doesn't "own" time, gravity, temperature etc. I will still believe in God, even when I can walk into a museum with a complete chain of evolution. Why? Because that chain is impossible for us to create, it's only there to discover.
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carous Elambra
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quote DG
You have just as much of a problem remaining if you say "God did it" because you can't explain God existing. How can you explain nothing?
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You wouldn't worship a random event, right? Why assume it's an intelligent being? Why assume it wants to be worshipped? And especially why assume it's one particular deity out of all the countless alternative creator deities in mankind's history? I did not assume God is an intelligent being. Intelligence is subjective to knowledge. I never understand this question. Deity is an interpretation. Whatever it is, it is, call it what you want, depict it how you want. Something begun the motion of Time. Even if it was just an atom.
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That's an assumption. You don't know that we can't create life from basic chemical compounds.
Scientists have already produced amino acids in experimental conditions. They're working on making them turn into proteins.
DNA is next I suppose.
Well, all I do know is, we didn't create the first instance. At least, not without mastering Time Travel first. Thus anything we do make, is flawed with Human attributes. We will build our insecurities into a new code of DNA.
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carous Elambra
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quote Rome
quote carouselambra
quote DG
quote carouselambra
quote Rome
I believe the existence of genies is one of easier false bits of Islam.
"[Iblîs (Satan)] said: "I am not the one to prostrate myself to a human being, whom You created from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud." What was the dinosaur to the mammal? What was the neanderthal to the Homo Erectus?
What is the unexplainable nature of mankind? I fail to see why you posted this. I don't mean to be overly pedantic, but I think the fact you fail to see is what is the issue. The difference between the Abrahamic Religions is not their God, it's their devils.
The Jin is an interpretation of forces unknown to man. In order to understand them, you will have to engage with the world around you. The Jin is not an interpretation. The Koran is quite clear of what a Jin is. They are sentient beings that have bodies made of smoke and have certain powers. Your answer is just a cop out. Then, ironically, you are actually an Islamic Extremist, despite the fact you're not Muslim. Because those phenomena themselves, smoke and "powers" are open to interpretation.
quote DG
I never claimed to be able to explain nothing. But nothing is simpler than an infinitely intelligent being. Therefore your infinitely intelligent being must be even harder to explain. Intelligence itself is the understanding of the Universe around you by your conciousness. The reality of how we exist, continues despite the feeble Human understanding.
Please stop confusing God with the Christian belief of Jesus Christ as the incarnation of the Holy Spirit. If God exists, He is in metaphysics and mathematics.
quoteThen we are no longer discussing a "god" but merely the origin of the universe. Which is a different subject entirely. I disagree. The origin of the Universe is in no sense a mere matter. Whatever started it is beyond any living being's knowledge. All there is are theories, and in the context of the language and studies of the eras of the Abrahamic Holy Books, there may be a valid question, if not some manner of explanation to compare to modern sciences and thesis'.
quoteAll lifeforms are flawed already. Surely you're aware of all the inefficiencies and "bad design" found in most lifeforms? All lifeforms do not have the ability to directly intefere with the process of their reproduction and D.N.A. sequences. Just because a theory exists, it doesn't mean it will work how it looks on paper.
Those inefficiencies will be annihilated by nature. The more that the Human Race inteferes with it's future generations in the lab, the more nature will adapt to predation.
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carous Elambra
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quote Rome
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Then, ironically, you are actually an Islamic Extremist, despite the fact you're not Muslim. Because those phenomena themselves, smoke and "powers" are open to interpretation.
How do you know? What possible interpretation could you get from beings literally described as being made of smoke, particularly when it is clear that Muhammad was just rehashing mythical beings from pre-Islamic, Arabic folklore? Natural forces.
In a more basic concept, the personification of those natural forces. Theological representations of various areas of the mind...in a sense, the voices you may hear in your mind, if you are under a lot of mental stress.
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carous Elambra
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No such thing as sanity.
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