Tipping at a resturant.

quote XxSkelterXx

quote Matty

And no I'm not American. Guess that means that someone not giving you a supplementary payment to the one you receive normally for your job allows you to do that to their food?

Yes, because the 2 Dollars an hour a server gets is more than enough to live on..
It seems that not being American gives you the Cheap gene.

quote Goonjimbo

Umm it's you Americans that came up with the free refill system shite or whatever, most places in England don't have free refills for drinks so what's wrong with them doing it in the States seeing as everybody else apparently takes advantage of the system.

Yes, we get free refills here.. Thats why americans are so fat..

quote Goonjimbo

Seeing as your way of dealing with it was spitting in their food and doing all manner of unhygienic things to their food then why the *bleep* should you get a tip anyway as you clearly don't deserve to have the job, let alone the tip.

Is not like most servers will spit on your food and such, most of the victims of these so called crimes are repeat customers that are well known for running you all night, and then stiffing you..

quote Goonjimbo

Do you think these people get a tip?

Do they get paid 2 dollars an hour??

quote Goonjimbo

Of course they don't!

quote Goonjimbo

You're lucky to be in a career that society deems tip-worthy so honestly shut the *bleep* up bitching about how your job is so difficult.

I dont serve anymore, so I am not bitching because I don't get tipped..

quote Goonjimbo

Tonnes of people have difficult jobs that are very stressful and they don't get tips to soften the blow.

Do they get paid 2 dollars an hour?

quote Goonjimbo

claiming that black people and British people will give you smaller or no tips?

This is a fact in the area I used to serve.

quote Goonjimbo

If this place can afford to lose 68k a year on each staff member then they must also charge staggering amounts for their food

They don't loose anything, the tips the servers get have no offect on the restaurant.. The plates are kind of expensive, from 28-90 dollars..

quote Goonjimbo

You then perform disgusting acts on the meals of these said people (surely before you know whether you are going to be tipped or not because you are still serving them at the time)

Again, this happens to repeat offenders..

quote Goonjimbo

and believe that you are in the right and they are in the wrong?

If they run your ass all night, and treat you like s slave all night, the least they can do is tip..Servers are in the right here..Welcome to America..

quote DjedwardSmith

It's ok, if I spent 12 years of my life waiting on people, I'd make up stories to tell people too.

Cant hide anything from you..Whatever will I do....

There's so much wrong with this I barely know where to start..

You've expanded from Brits and black people being cheap to EVERYONE who's not an American being cheap, while also claiming that servers (including, at some point, yourself) are on $2 an hour. Yet earlier you made 68k in a year excluding tips, which quite simply doesn't add up.

If you're as much of a self-righteous, judgemental *bleep* as you're coming across then I'd not tip you, believe it or not being an arsehole comes across when you talk to people.

Claiming that British people and blacks tip less as a "fact" is even more ridiculous. To accept something so objective as a fact I'd expect to see a race/average tip graph with plenty of data, not your narrow minded xenophobia conjuring 'facts' out of your own ignorance.

"Servers are in the right here".... why? What makes them any different to any other person in your country. They are employed by their own choice and can quit any time they like. They aren't being forced into it, nor are they being worked unreasonably hard compared to hard-labour manual jobs and high-stress jobs like paramedics and firefighters.

They're people who have jobs. That doesn't give them any moral high ground. I go to a restaurant and they bring me food, but then they go into a shop the next day and I serve them in an almost identical way. I've never been tipped but I'm under no delusions that I deserve it nor do I take out my delusions by deliberately harming the customer's experience.

You've done a good job of avoiding my actual point there while also deconstructing half of your own through your childishness.

Replace "you" with "Brits", "mong" with "cheap" and "Brits" with "Orlando servers" and it's pretty much a carbon copy of your own defence of your deluded standpoint.

My point was that I make 4k a year and you make 68k a year in fantasy land, yet you claim to deserve tips more.

I'm not trying to get a rise out of you, I'm simply trying to work out what utterly broken logic goes into this.

Why would a waiter in America on 68k a year deserve tips more than a shop assistant in America on 35k a year then?

How can these waiters be so self righteous about how they deserve tips, even when they're earning almost double what the equivalent low-skill worker is?

You're both finding this a very difficult concept to grasp somehow.