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Luigi Panache ¿ʇsǝ,ɔ ǝnb ǝɔ-ʇsǝ,nb ultra seeker since: Aug 2007	Nov 13, 09 at 11:53pm Can't Boot With New AGP Card, Card and Mobo are fine?
	I'm at the end of my rope here. While I save up for a new computer, I'm stuck with this six-year-old computer I got from a friend. Recently, I happened upon an ATI Radeon 9800 PRO graphics card. Seeing as how I have an ATI 9600 PRO in my computer right now, I thought it would be a simple installation. So, I open up the computer and put the card in. Turning the power on makes this little light on the Motherboard light up,where it doesn't normally. It has writing by it, "2X DET". I assume this means 2X AGP detected? Regardless, the system won't even send power to the drives and fans when the 9800 is in its AGP slot. If I pull it out, it starts up again. If I put the old 9600 in, it'll boot. If I sort of half-insert the 9800, making part of the pins not touch the slot, the system will power up and the 9800's fan will spin. However, this leads to a series of system speaker noises which don't seem good... So, my motherboard seems fine and my AGP cards all work. The 9800 PRO will boot on my friend's computer, just not this one. I have a Gigabyte GA-8IK1100 motherboard (I think). Can anyone help me figure out this problem? I really want to use this card! ------------------- PSP: Hack it, Explain it, Ask it! Yes.
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Pr3tzals ultra seeker total posts: 1407 since: Dec 2006	Nov 14, 09 at 12:08am re: Can't Boot With New AGP Card, Card and Mobo are fine?
	Do you have 2 agp slots and maybe your psu doesnt have enough watts ------------------- Sometimes you gotta start at the bottom to rise to the top
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Luigi Panache ¿ʇsǝ,ɔ ǝnb ǝɔ-ʇsǝ,nb ultra seeker since: Aug 2007	Nov 14, 09 at 12:12am re: Can't Boot With New AGP Card, Card and Mobo are fine?
	quote Pr3tzals Do you have 2 agp slots and maybe your psu doesnt have enough watts I have only one AGP slot, and I have a 350 W PSU. The 9800 needs a Molex connector to be plugged in, so I removed the little optional Molex connector that sits in a port by the AGP socket, and I plugged it into the 9800. No change. I've taken everything but the motherboard and HDD off the PSU's cables, but I still can't boot the system with the 9800 in. That little 2X AGP light is driving me nuts! ------------------- PSP: Hack it, Explain it, Ask it! Yes.
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Pr3tzals ultra seeker total posts: 1407 since: Dec 2006	Nov 14, 09 at 1:04pm re: Can't Boot With New AGP Card, Card and Mobo are fine?
	Well after reading up on the 9800 series you need these things to get them to run: A 300-Watt power supply or greater Intel Pentium 4 AGP 8X (0.8v), 4X (1.5V) or Universal AGP 3.0 bus configuration (8X/4X) 128MB of system memory So can you run the card by taking out the one in your system and swapping it with the new one? ------------------- Sometimes you gotta start at the bottom to rise to the top
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hiigaran Stealing IT jobs since December 2005.... Neoholic total posts: 11063 since: Dec 2005	Nov 14, 09 at 2:33pm re: Can't Boot With New AGP Card, Card and Mobo are fine?
	quote so I removed the little optional Molex connector that sits in a port by the AGP socket, and I plugged it into the 9800. No change. what little optional molex connector? is this on the motherboard? if so, you need to have that connected as well. ...although, if it is a molex, then im not too sure. is this an old motherboard? ------------------- Help the Neoseeker Team Speed Up Your Computer Sleep-Posting
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dvrocc Always a newb! true seeker total posts: 1049 since: Dec 2002	Nov 14, 09 at 3:58pm re: Can't Boot With New AGP Card, Card and Mobo are fine?
	Can you get the make and model of your motherboard, it should be listed near the AGP slot or PCI slots and maybe to the front of the motherboard if there isn't a number or name listed then put the 9600 back in then fire up your PC then download CPU-Z then get the make and model that way for posting here, its a very simple tool. It sounds like you have possibly two issues one of them being your power supply doesn't have enough juice to power it even though it listed at 350 watts it may be a generic version which means it will be far less then listed watts, for example if you have a eMachine that is 5 years old they come with standard 300 watt power supply and the rated wattage is less then what is listed so its possible that its running around 220 watts on average which isn't enough to power up. The second issue may be your PC may have an older AGP slot possibly that may be only 2x or 4x speed the card will only get some of its juice through the AGP slot and get the rest directly from the power supply connector. If your PC has an AGP slot 8x it will pull more juice through the slot and less from the power supply, its enough for your 9600 to run but the 9800 needs lots more power. ------------------- ASRock N68-S AM2+/AM3 Athlon X2 7750 Black Edition Kingston DDRII PC5300 2048mb XFX Geforce 9800GT 512mb RAIDMAX AURORA 600W Cooler Master Elite 341
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Luigi Panache ¿ʇsǝ,ɔ ǝnb ǝɔ-ʇsǝ,nb ultra seeker since: Aug 2007	Nov 14, 09 at 8:15pm re: Can't Boot With New AGP Card, Card and Mobo are fine?
	quote dvrocc Can you get the make and model of your motherboard, it should be listed near the AGP slot or PCI slots and maybe to the front of the motherboard if there isn't a number or name listed then put the 9600 back in then fire up your PC then download CPU-Z then get the make and model that way for posting here, its a very simple tool. It sounds like you have possibly two issues one of them being your power supply doesn't have enough juice to power it even though it listed at 350 watts it may be a generic version which means it will be far less then listed watts, for example if you have a eMachine that is 5 years old they come with standard 300 watt power supply and the rated wattage is less then what is listed so its possible that its running around 220 watts on average which isn't enough to power up. The second issue may be your PC may have an older AGP slot possibly that may be only 2x or 4x speed the card will only get some of its juice through the AGP slot and get the rest directly from the power supply connector. If your PC has an AGP slot 8x it will pull more juice through the slot and less from the power supply, its enough for your 9600 to run but the 9800 needs lots more power. I have a Gigabyte 8IK1100 motherboard for the Intel i875. BIOS copyright is 2004. I guess the board's over 5 years old then? Even if I disconnect everything that's not essential to the computer from the PSU and connect two Molex ports to both the slot by the AGP socket & the socket built into the card, the computer will not boot. The very moment I remove the 9800 card the computer boots. If I make only the right side (with output bracket on the left) of the card plug into the port the computer will boot and the card's fan will spin, but my CPU speaker beeps and can't recognize the graphics card. My AGP Slot will run my 9600 at both 4X and 8X AGP. The 9800 supports both modes. I don't think this is a power issue. The card is getting a lot of power with all my DVD drives and PCI cards removed. The motherboard has a little light titled 2X DET next to the AGP slot. I assume this means it thinks an AGP 2X card is plugged in, and the AGP slot can't read 2X cards. However, the 9800 is not a 2X only card... My 9600 which is almost identical as far as my motherboard cares (except for its power consumption) will work fine on this computer. There is no "2X DET" light with it in. This is absolutely confusing... ------------------- PSP: Hack it, Explain it, Ask it! Yes.
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hiigaran Stealing IT jobs since December 2005.... Neoholic total posts: 11063 since: Dec 2005	Nov 14, 09 at 8:17pm re: Can't Boot With New AGP Card, Card and Mobo are fine?
	wait, what exactly happens? you get stuck at the loading windows screen of does the computer simply not turn on at all? or does it turn on with no video? ------------------- Help the Neoseeker Team Speed Up Your Computer Sleep-Posting
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Luigi Panache ¿ʇsǝ,ɔ ǝnb ǝɔ-ʇsǝ,nb ultra seeker since: Aug 2007	Nov 14, 09 at 8:37pm re: Can't Boot With New AGP Card, Card and Mobo are fine?
	quote hiigaran wait, what exactly happens? you get stuck at the loading windows screen of does the computer simply not turn on at all? or does it turn on with no video? Alright, I have two power switches. One on the back of the PSU that is instant (I/O) and one that I use to tell my computer to turn off (the front button). With the 9600 in, I turn on the back switch and press the front button. The CPU fan and my blue halogen light bulb come on, the CPU speaker beeps once, and the system powers up no problem. With the 9800 fully in, I turn on the back switch and a little amber LED labeled "2X DET" comes on. I press the front button and another little amber light by my RAM turns on. The system fans don't start up, the CPU speaker doesn't beep, and the system doesn't POST (is that the right word for seeing the BIOS startup?) If I pull the 9800 out after the above situation, the system fans will spin, the CPU speaker beeps, and the computer starts up with no video. If I start up with no graphics card in the system fans spin, the CPU speaker beeps, and all goes well until I press the 9800 in and the system immediately shuts down. All I see is that "2X DET" amber light. If I press the front button, I also get that little amber light by the RAM. I can hot plug my 9600 and my old nVidia GE Force 400 MX AGP card (the nVidia's a universal AGP card.) If I wiggle the 9800 around a bit I can get to a point where the system fans all spin, the 9800's fan spins, and the CPU speaker goes "Beeeeeeep beep-beep". The system doesn't POST. I found out online this beep means the system doesn't recognize the graphics card. There are no options in the BIOS concerning the AGP port except for an option to increase the power given to the card from 0.01 to 0.03 extra. ------------------- PSP: Hack it, Explain it, Ask it! Yes.
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hiigaran Stealing IT jobs since December 2005.... Neoholic total posts: 11063 since: Dec 2005	Nov 14, 09 at 8:41pm re: Can't Boot With New AGP Card, Card and Mobo are fine?
	wait, youre telling me that youre hot-swapping video cards, and moving them around while there is power? do you realise how much damage that can cause both your motherboard and video card? if this is not the case, please clarify, but if it is, i might just have to get on a plane, go to your place and smack you round the head myself. what do you mean by the card in and fully in for 1 and 2? ------------------- Help the Neoseeker Team Speed Up Your Computer Sleep-Posting
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Luigi Panache ¿ʇsǝ,ɔ ǝnb ǝɔ-ʇsǝ,nb ultra seeker since: Aug 2007	Nov 14, 09 at 8:45pm re: Can't Boot With New AGP Card, Card and Mobo are fine?
	quote hiigaran wait, youre telling me that youre hot-swapping video cards, and moving them around while there is power? do you realise how much damage that can cause both your motherboard and video card? if this is not the case, please clarify, but if it is, i might just have to get on a plane, go to your place and smack you round the head myself. what do you mean by the card in and fully in for 1 and 2? Well, I hot swapped by accident at first because I didn't realize that was bad... But all my cards as of right now work fine on my friend's computer, so they're not damaged. The motherboard is fine as far as I can tell. I'm typing on the computer with it as we speak, and it's passed all its own tests again. By in for number one, I mean my older 9600 PRO is plugged into the AGP slot. In number two, I mean I've got the newer card pressed in down as far as it can go. ------------------- PSP: Hack it, Explain it, Ask it! Yes.
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