George W. Bush ^3 - Page 2

quote Kaziaa

Let me give you an example, if you know a friend whose parent is beating them do u think it is better to say a few lies to eventually help them, maybe hurt you and your friend a little on the way to get out of them out of this situation. Or would it be better to sit on your ass and watch them be beaten.

And how was he going in for his own personal gain, everyone keeps saying this but no one is saying how. What did this do for him personally?

No, I would not think that it is better to tell a few lies. If I did so, the defense lawyer would make me look ridiculous when my lies were revealed, and use that to discredit the rest of my testimony.
Now of course, that is just if I lied, and I am no one of great importance. Only a courtroom full of people would think I am an idiot. When the President lies or presents incorrect information for truth before his far larger audience, it will have far more reaching effects and implications.

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As for the personal gain, I don't really see much for Bush, other than possibly the satisfaction of tying up the loose end left by his father. I think it is as likely that he looked ahead to the time of lower oil production and realized that Iraq would have leverage against us in the future, and decided to get someone more friendly to the US in control of that oil.

Ivading Iran without UN approval would be disastrous, seeing that they have many great allies.

Oh, and we have absolutely no friendly relations with South Korea, or Japan for that matter, because China and North Korea are right next door.

Yeah, right.

Corey, I think you just screwed up.

quote Hutchie

It's Iran next, because of their "Disturbing reinstallation of a Nuclear Weapons program." Yeah right. Nothing to do with the fact that they have A LOT OF OIL!

Great...more blood for oil. Is Iran really a threat to anyone? I mean, seriously, think about it? Its all for oil, he doesn't care about anyone but himself and his oil buddies getting rich so he and his friends and family don't have to work a day of their lives. Its personal gain and he's using "Disturbing reinstallation of a Nuclear Weapons program." as a cover-up.

It seems Bush is great at doing this...

First step: Create the enemy. Sometimes this will be done for you.

Second step: Be sure the enemy you have chosen is nothing like you. Find obvious differences like race, language, religion, dietary habits, and fashion. Emphasize that their soldiers are not doing a job,
they are heartless murderers who enjoy killing!

Third step: Once these differences are established continue to reinforce them
with all disseminated information.

Fourth step: Have the media broadcast only the ruling party's information
this can be done through state run media.
Remember, in times of conflict all for-profit media repeats the ruling party's information.
Therefore all for-profit media becomes state-run.

Fifth step: show this enemy in actions that seem strange, militant, or different.
Always portray the enemy as non-human, evil, a killing machine.

Sixth step: Eliminate opposition to the ruling party.
Create an "Us versus Them" mentality. Leave no room for opinions in between.
One that does not support all actions of the ruling party should be considered a traitor.

Seventh step: Use nationalistic and/or religious symbols and rhetoric to define all actions.
This can be achieved by slogans such as "freedom loving people versus those who hate freedom."
This can also be achieved by the use of flags.

Eighth step: Align all actions with the dominant deity.
It is very effective to use terms like, "It is god's will" or "god bless our nation."

Ninth step: Design propaganda to show that your soldiers
have feelings, hopes, families, and loved ones.
Make it clear that your soldiers are doing a duty; they do not want or like to kill.

Tenth step: Create and atmosphere of fear, and instability
and then offer the ruling party as the only solutions to comfort the public's fears.
Remembering the fear of the unknown is always the strongest fear.

That sounds like what he did after 9/11 happened and if he has his way, he'll do the same with Iran. I'm glad I'm not in the military.

No Corey, you aren't paying attention. You said, and I quote, "Iraq will not be a future ally because it is right next to Iran." But I destroyed your point when I stated the well-known and accepted FACT that we are allies with South Korea and Japan, even though the Communistic countries of North Korea and China are right next door. Using progressive thinking, then, we can successfully believe that there is a strong possibility of a strong alligience with Iraq in the future.

quote distillersrawker03

Great...more blood for oil. Is Iran really a threat to anyone? I mean, seriously, think about it? Its all for oil, he doesn't care about anyone but himself and his oil buddies getting rich so he and his friends and family don't have to work a day of their lives. Its personal gain and he's using "Disturbing reinstallation of a Nuclear Weapons program." as a cover-up.

Yeah, so he doesn't have to work! The President has an easy job, ya know? Answering to 350 million people, fending off media dogs, building his principles and guarding against any possible weak link in his beliefs that his enemies (yes, enemies) could use against him to make him look like a political fool, oh yeah, real easy. Not to mention the fact that he's one of the highest possible assassination victims in the country, or that there are thousands if not millions of people in the world that would like to see him dead.

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Second step: Be sure the enemy you have chosen is nothing like you. Find obvious differences like race, language, religion, dietary habits, and fashion. Emphasize that their soldiers are not doing a job,
they are heartless murderers who enjoy killing!

Look in my signature, that is an actual quote, sourced from National Geographic. That man has rallied thousands to his cause for his beliefs, stated in plain English in my signature. Oh, and you're ignoring the fact that everyone that hates us is entirely different from us in race, language, and religion. There aren't too many caucasian, English-speaking countries on earth that despise us. The Soviet Union fell 16 years ago, after all.

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Third step: Once these differences are established continue to reinforce them with all disseminated information.

Right, make up stories about 3,000 innocent civilians being slaughtered, pretend that the good little radical Muslims hate us when in reality they adore us. Pretend that Bin Laden is the next Martin Luther. If that floats your boat, go for it buddy.

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Fourth step: Have the media broadcast only the ruling party's information this can be done through state run media.
Remember, in times of conflict all for-profit media repeats the ruling party's information.
Therefore all for-profit media becomes state-run.

Right, because only a media company that would showcase falsified, unbacked information that is detrimental to the President would broadcast, singularly, the ruling party's information.

Sorry if this is a bit out of nowhere.

But this morning, on the news, I swear to you! I heard bush say," I have decided not to let the terrorists..etc. blah"

Basically I have decided to continue the war on Iraq.
He basically was preeching about the same thing for an hour and every few sentances he would stop and let people clap[at teh stupidest things btw].
First, Its not his decision to make, the president should not have the power to decide to go to war.
I can tell what hes doing though, and hes not stupid at all. Hes extremely smart. He acts stupid,and tells people what they want, and does what he wants. This guys got it going on. Hes got america in the palm of his hand.

I mean personally, I would vote for him,[if I was an american resident] because he is the lesser of 2 evils, but its not like anyone really has a choice in who to vote for anymore.

I don't really understand why Bush thinks bringing the fight to the terrorists is really going to stop them, when it only takes a few to kill many. We will get attacked as long as people are angry with us and if terrorism is the most effective way to do it then that is how it will happen. If we help develop Iraq then the oil may not come to us it may go to the Iraqis and if it is their oil and it is their government and if they have need it or have to hold it to stop the terrorist attacks then they will have to do it and there is nothing we can do about it. Another problem is that the U.S. military can handle insurgent attacks but if Iraq tries to handle the insurgents they may end up in a civil war and if the terrorists pick a side then I think the other side will lose and the losing side will be the Iraqi government.