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TerraAbuser threadnought total posts: 619 since: Aug 2011	Oct 25, 11 at 6:59pm ^ re: is anyone tired of this atheists and Christians hatred for each other?
	Log in to remove this sponsored message quote DG Oh? What about children who actually curse YHWH, worship Lucifer and perform human sacrifices to him? Accusers accuse. Edit: Do not acuse children of such, it would be on their parents.
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Gaming Geezer Its a matter of time Seeketh Maximus total posts: 5523 since: Feb 2006	Oct 25, 11 at 7:09pm ^ re: is anyone tired of this atheists and Christians hatred for each other?
	quote quote Gaming Geezer We believe that God hardens some hearts, so that they will resist Him. So that means that you believe God is intentionally making the playing field uneven? He's intentionally making certain people more likely to be thrown into hell. Then presumably sitting on a cloud sniggiering into his invisible beard with a huge troll face, thinking "Herp herp this one will go to hell for sure!". How can you justify that act being by a "Good" deity? Bias and unfairly favouring certain people over others is not a "good" act DG The Apostle Paul answers that very question in Romans 9:13-23 ------------------- http://darrelx-letsfaceit.blogspot.com/
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Turkagent Veritas Vos Liberabit Neoholic total posts: 10386 neopoints: 485 since: Feb 2002	Oct 25, 11 at 7:20pm ^ re: is anyone tired of this atheists and Christians hatred for each other?
	Actually, GG, that passage answers nothing. It simply says: Spoiler:Ancient and out of date manuscript God does whatever he wants with no regard as humans are his creations. He can choose to do whatever he wants That does not answer the question of whether such a god who does this may be considered good. This is of course using the word good in a meaningful word. I hope you don't respond with a trite response of god being the definition of good. ------------------- In the first place God made idiots. This was for practice. Then He made school boards. - Mark Twain
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D-G BANG CruisiN' total posts: 22176 since: Mar 2003	Oct 25, 11 at 8:18pm ^ re: is anyone tired of this atheists and Christians hatred for each other?
	quote TerraAbuser quote DG Oh? What about children who actually curse YHWH, worship Lucifer and perform human sacrifices to him? Accusers accuse. Edit: Do not acuse children of such, it would be on their parents. Not necessarily. The parents could be Christian. The kids might be rebelling. The parents could be unaware. And what age are you deciding the end of "childhood" to be at, anyway? Admittedly I'm exaggerating here a bit with the human sacrifices. I've not seen anything to suggest Lucifer would appreciate those anyway. quote Turkagent I hope you don't respond with a trite response of god being the definition of good. Seconded. That type of response is not just "trite". It is bullshit. Might does not make right. Therefore being a creator does not make you the definition of good. If an omnipotent being that created the entire universe acts like a prick, then it is a prick. -------------------
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silverboner Bored Resident Neo total posts: 2720 since: Dec 2005	Oct 25, 11 at 8:24pm ^ re: is anyone tired of this atheists and Christians hatred for each other?
	quote DG Silverboner So, what if I, as a human, create a race of silicon based lifeforms that are even more intelligent than human beings, more compassionate, more pleasant in every way. Did you create silicon, or compassion or life? Didn't think so. Humans are not in the position of God. quote DG Also, you have still failed to provide one sensible reason as to why someone should need to believe that God exists in order to not be destroyed and/or burned in hellfire. Do I need one? Or can God do as God sees what is right with his own creation? Who are you to argue? If you reject God at every turn, if you think he is a dick or asshole as you most recently stated, why would you want to spend eternity with him? You don't want to spend eternity with him DG. A tyrannical god would force you to serve him and praise him for all eternity, a righteous God would grant your wish and remove you from God's presence. quote DG Yours, according to you, does not. you didn't read what I posted....nice. I wonder how it can be argued to be "wrong" or injustice for God to deny mercy and grace? Mercy and grace are gifts, God is not obligated to give either, so if God doesn't bestow it on someone, how can we argue its wrong? How can we argue God is "bad" if he chooses not to give those gifts to some? ------------------- Evil necessitates God. Do you know what is so important about the number 447,225,917,218,507,401,284,016mg/cc??? Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.
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D-G BANG CruisiN' total posts: 22176 since: Mar 2003	Oct 25, 11 at 8:28pm ^ re: is anyone tired of this atheists and Christians hatred for each other?
	quote Silverboner Or can God do as God sees what is right with his own creation? Yay. I saw that coming. Exactly the type of reply Turkagent just warned against. Well, I can't stop him doing what he wants, but if he acts like a dick, then he is one. Basing your entire idea of "good" on an invisible deity with shifty motives and dubious past actions is not a wise idea. Oh I did read what you posted, but you were contradicting your own previous words. You previously told me that I would go to "hell" for simply not believing. quote Silverboner I wonder how it can be argued to be "wrong" or injustice for God to deny mercy and grace? Mercy and grace are gifts, God is not obligated to give either, so if God doesn't bestow it on someone, how can we argue its wrong? How can we argue God is "bad" if he chooses not to give those gifts to some? Oh look, another one of those answers. You seriously need new material. How can I argue it's wrong? Well, you're sounding oddly like a Calvinist. Why did you claim not to be one? You are saying it's OK for God to create an uneven playing field. Of course it would be wrong. If he helps one person and does not help another person, he is effectively damning someone for doing nothing more wrong than another person who is saved. That is the very definition of unjust. -------------------
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TerraAbuser threadnought total posts: 619 since: Aug 2011	Oct 25, 11 at 9:08pm ^ re: is anyone tired of this atheists and Christians hatred for each other?
	We just trust that God has it all set up the right way. Thats who our faith is based on, God. We loved to say they we have all the answers, but we don't, just have to trust in God.
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silverboner Bored Resident Neo total posts: 2720 since: Dec 2005	Oct 25, 11 at 9:09pm ^ re: is anyone tired of this atheists and Christians hatred for each other?
	quote DG Yay. I saw that coming. Exactly the type of reply Turkagent just warned against. No, he warned against defining God as good. I asked a deep philosophical question about what one can do with their creation. You have failed to answer this question twice now. quote DG Well, I can't stop him doing what he wants, but if he acts like a dick, then he is one. Because you say he is? Because you know more then the creator? quote DG You previously told me that I would go to "hell" for simply not believing. Is that what I said? I know I said: quote silverboner Its not simply a matter of not believing. quote DG Of course it would be wrong. If he helps one person and does not help another person, he is effectively damning someone for doing nothing more wrong than another person who is saved. I don't see how its wrong DG. Neither did anything to deserve beings saved. They both in fact deserve to be damned because they both sinned and hurt people. Is God obligated to save even one person? If God is not obligated to save one person, how is it unfair that God gives a gift of mercy and grace? It cannot be a gift if he is obligated to do it, FYI. If God knows all, don't you think he is equipped with the knowledge necessary to judge what is right? The obvious answer is of course yes. Thus you just have to have faith that God is just, and accept that you don't know everything, and that God does. That is called Faith DG. ------------------- Evil necessitates God. Do you know what is so important about the number 447,225,917,218,507,401,284,016mg/cc??? Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.
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D-G BANG CruisiN' total posts: 22176 since: Mar 2003	Oct 25, 11 at 9:12pm ^ re: is anyone tired of this atheists and Christians hatred for each other?
	Not simply a matter of not believing? You said that atheists were damned, did you not? Atheist = Without Belief. That is what it means. You did not specifically say that only anti-theists were damned. Ugh. You can excuse anything you say by bringing up "faith". Doesn't make it any more sensible. You could have Faith in Hitler. It wouldn't mean he was doing the right thing. Saying you have faith is basically just another way of saying "I can't prove I'm right." -------------------
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JacqueseVonRIP The Mysterious Blue Man Resident Neo total posts: 2787 since: Aug 2008	Oct 25, 11 at 9:17pm ^ re: is anyone tired of this atheists and Christians hatred for each other?
	This is nice, all of us getting along here and being friends. -------------------
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silverboner Bored Resident Neo total posts: 2720 since: Dec 2005	Oct 25, 11 at 9:35pm ^ re: is anyone tired of this atheists and Christians hatred for each other?
	quote DG Atheist = Without Belief. That is what it means. That is what you claim it means. Apparently you have already forgotten that I argued that it means rejecting God. quote DG Ugh. You can excuse anything you say by bringing up "faith". Doesn't make it any more sensible. Ignoring faith, IF God knows everything, is God equipped with the necessary information to make a righteous judgment? The obvious answer is "yes". Thus God, or any being that knows what is in our hearts, is in the ONLY position to even possibly judge with complete righteousness. quote DG Saying you have faith is basically just another way of saying "I can't prove I'm right." Complaining about faith, without any response to the fact that neither deserves to be saved, and that God is not obligated to save either of them, is just another way of dodging the fact that you cannot object. ------------------- Evil necessitates God. Do you know what is so important about the number 447,225,917,218,507,401,284,016mg/cc??? Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.
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D-G BANG CruisiN' total posts: 22176 since: Mar 2003	Oct 25, 11 at 9:59pm ^ re: is anyone tired of this atheists and Christians hatred for each other?
	That is literally what the word Atheist translates to. A = without Theist = (person with) Belief Atheist = Person without beliefs. Anyway, I just realised something. If Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil... The only reason for that "sin" to be passed on through countless generations of mankind is if we still have that knowledge. Therefore, if you believe this really happened, I DO have the knowledge of what is good and what is evil. Using that knowledge, I say God is evil. Oh, and how about this for an example of God being a dick? Did he not supposedly punish womankind for eternity by making childbirth agonisingly painful? Just because Eve ate a fruit? -------------------
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TerraAbuser threadnought total posts: 619 since: Aug 2011	Oct 25, 11 at 10:19pm ^ re: is anyone tired of this atheists and Christians hatred for each other?
	God is just. Since he is just than he must punish sin. Jesus took our punishment, so we can go to heaven. I fail to see how any of that makes him evil. You basically saying, "the punishment is disporportionate to the crime," yet forgivness is always staring you in the face and you just refuse to see it!
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silverboner Bored Resident Neo total posts: 2720 since: Dec 2005	Oct 25, 11 at 10:21pm ^ re: is anyone tired of this atheists and Christians hatred for each other?
	quote DG That is literally what the word Atheist translates to. A = without Theist = someone that believes God exists. Atheist = Someone that rejects the belief that God exists FIXED quote DG If Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil... You are not impressing me with your knowledge of Christian Theology. ------------------- Evil necessitates God. Do you know what is so important about the number 447,225,917,218,507,401,284,016mg/cc??? Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.
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D-G BANG CruisiN' total posts: 22176 since: Mar 2003	Oct 25, 11 at 10:25pm ^ re: is anyone tired of this atheists and Christians hatred for each other?
	Boner, that's not what that word translates to. You cannot make up new meanings for words. You do not write the dictionary. And what's wrong with what I said about Adam and Eve? That is exactly what happened in Genesis. Anyway, I just found this. wtf does this mean? Exodus 34.23 (KJV) Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the Lord GOD, the God of Israel. Rather strong evidence that God is not omnipresent, I think. -------------------
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