quote The Blazing Shadow
So we have concluded that the method of punishing everyone is a flawed one...
No. As I already stated, simply because everyone gets punished does not immediately qualify as a fallacy. Now take into account human nature, and its clear that "everyone" probably deserves some form of consequences because nobody here has never hurt anyone. Further, most Christians would argue that children and adults will be treated differently, implying that not everyone will be punished anyway, cause a 2 year old isn't going to be held to the same standards as the 21 year old, at least that is what most Christians believe.
quote The Blazing Shadow
so, bottom line is that I am treating God much like a psychologically abusive husband would his wife.
What reason do you have for this?
quote The Blazing Shadow
No matter what you type up, I am going to find it flawed and imperfect in some way. Being flawed obviously means that something is fallible.
Alls it means is that you think God is flawed or fallible. That doesn't mean that God actually is though. As I already pointed out, and proven, any opinion cannot be used to measure God and come up with truth. Remember the contradiction how one claims God sins and one claims God doesn't sin, and that both cannot be right? Some measurements are flawed. So just becuase you can come up with imperfects doesn't mean that you standard of measure isn't flawed.
quote The Blazing Shadow
I am not speaking with my own opinions, necessarily, either and the reason that I am doing this is to prove the point that God is fallible, because a non fallible person cannot be abused because flaw cannot be found and to speak honestly of my personal opinion, I think God is the same way, since he is judge of our sins.
Even a perfect being can be found to have flaws given our separation. What I mean by separation is that we are limited in perspective and knowledge. We don't know everything to make any judgment on whether God is perfect. You are judging God without knowing all the details, without even knowing God. And you think your judgment is accurate? You think that because you can judge God as being flawed, therefore he must be flawed? Free will is such, that even if you had every detail to render an accurate judgment, there is nothing in existence that I know of that means your judgment would then be necessarily accurate. You can lie, you can reach faulty conclusions, you can minimize certain values, there by measuring God by different measurements then someone else. When it comes to one's opinion, nothing necessitates that it finds a perfect being perfect. You have free will, so you can prioritize differently then someone else, you can make some things more important thereby creating flaws that are only created because of your personal value system. One that would be different then God's value system.
The idea that a non-fallible person cannot be abused is complete and total crap cause we retain free will, and the ability to prioritize and values certain traits or actions. Further we can resort to any abuse WE WANT because we have free will. We can find always find fault in perfect because perfection is a measurement based on values which are not absolute or universal. We have free will, so we can reject and deny what ever system of measurement was used to find perfection.
This is hardly a concern.
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quote DG
God is portrayed as having a beard for some reason, in most artwork.
LOL
quote DG
Your sarcasm detector must be broken.
you might check your own batteries....
quote DG
How do I know he's invisible?
If he's omnipresent and we cannot see him, then he is invisible, or non-existent.
Maybe its because you are looking for a guy with a beard. *Chuckles*
quote DG
Fairy = Imaginary magical creature that exists in books and has never actually been SEEN anywhere else by anyone sane.
Well, since you discount any and all testimony who have seen God in the Flesh, or angels, or God floating about in a cloud of fire, we aren't going to get anywhere cause you refuse to believe that God has shown himself. Besides that you think he's invisible. You rather discount all the testimony, and sum them up as insane. Never mind that some people have met God, and have come back to life to testify, and I am not talking about 2000 years ago.
quote DG
Is not the Trinity one of the main tenets of the religion?
How can you have three and yet one? The issue of the Trinity is complicated, but at some point you have to accept that God and Jesus are not the same same.
quote DG
Your god stated himself to be the source of all evil, therefore he is definitely the cause of all sin, if he exists.
I think you lack context and understanding, if you are referring to the verse I think you are referring too. (again, which is why I stated, I always appreciate verse references). But I think you are resorting to a logical fallacy of causation any how.
quote DG
If we take Adam and Eve literally, god put that forbidden tree there, so he was asking for trouble and clearly caused any original sin which may or may not have happened.
Where is it stated that God caused Adam and Eve to eat of the fruit? When you can find that in the Bible, then we can talk. Until then, your claims are
the result of faulty logic. quote DG
Wow, your idea of a deterrent is a weird one.
I didn't say anything about a deterrent.
quote DG
So, because lots and lots of people supposedly inherited "original sin" from Adam and Eve (who never existed), God decided to kill a random guy (Jesus) as an example.
People didn't inherit sin, free will always allowed humanity to choose to sin. Adam and Eve were just the first. If they didn't do it, someone else would have. And God didn't kill a random guy as an example. God sacrificed his Son as a means of reconciliation between creation and creator, since we have rejected God.
quote DG
Also despite the fact that it was the Jews who got him killed by the Romans.
Why would they care that he died? They made the choice FOR him to die.
So no, it really makes no sense at all.
Its obvious why it makes no sense to you. I said it makes sense if you accept certain things about God, and you don't accept them. Further, you resort to faulty logic, such as God caused people to reject God and sin.
As far as the Jews go, they reject Jesus as the Messiah, but they are waiting for a Messiah. They have different expectations as to what the Messiah was supposed to do and be. They interpret the Torah and other Messianic prophesies differently. It should be mentioned, that the Pharisees were corrupt anyway. They witnessed a man do miracles, healing people, and they claimed it was from demonic powers, rather then accept that Jesus was sent from God. Other indications show they were corrupt, and not just peaceful wise teachers waiting for the Messiah to come.
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quote Archimonde_STG
So we go from this perfect, eternal being, to a dude that looks like us and has a son, a son which is from our own race. Do you know just how absurd and pagan that sounds?
Race? Huh? What does race have anything to do with it? You mean species? Genesis states we were created in the Image of God. Some only entail that to be spiritual, emotional, and intellectual, not necessarily physical, but it only makes sense that if God was to send His Son that he would take the shape and physical form of Man. Would you rather he sent him in the form of a talking ape? That of course would invalidate God's promises to other men. Remember those Genealogies in Matthew?
quote Archimonde_STG
And honestly, killing his own son, while still screwing things up isn't a very good idea.
What did he screw up?
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quote not logged in
why am I ring punished for Adam and Eve's actions?
You are not going to be punished for Adam and Eve's actions. You would be punished for YOUR choices.
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Also, why did God need to send Jesus down?
Reconcilliation between creation (you) and creator (God).
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Like DG said, if he's omnipotent, can't he just wave his wand an fix the problem?
So that child rapist that tortures and kills little girls, and God should just wave his wand and cross that off the list? Or what about the tragedy in Norway, Breivik killed all those kids, and detonated that bomb and God should just wave his wand and cross it off the list? That is the kind of creator and ultimate power you want looking over you, one that just allows that shit to happen, and then cross it off the list? And you think Christianity doesn't make sense...
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quote xxskelterxx
The bible, in the book if Isiah says that God himself created Evil. This would all be his fault, No?
That may not be the most accurate translation. Other versions of the Bible translate the word to adversity or calamity or misery.
Does God cause people to rape, murder, or bomb the innocent? The idea that God himself is the cause and is thus at fault for all of OUR CHOICES is NONSENSE.
Complete and utter NONSENSE!
