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Cinamon
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re: Arizona Immigration
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How the heck do you "dress" like illegals? So from now on if you live in Arizona and you have brown skin (racist cops can't distinguish between Mexicans, Indians, and Fillipinos), you better start carrying your passport or birth certificate everywhere you go.
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quote Fatal Error
Here's the general flow of things:
People generalize Arizona cops by saying they must be racist and this law will encourage racism.
These same people don't realize they're being just as discriminatory as the "racist" cops and lawmakers they're complaining about.
People are imperfect and that imperfection leads to unfair and unjust actions. The assumption that Arizona cops will act unfairly is quite a reasonable one.
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quote m2caldwell
Conservatives support this law because it is the federal government's job to secure and defend the borders of the United States. Since the feds have failed miserably in this task, I have no problem with Arizona empowering their own law enforcement to enforce existing federal law.
If they really and truly wanted to eliminate illegal immigrants, they would target the employers who hire them in the first place. If there are jobs to be found, illegals will keep coming and I can't say I blame them since they do it for survival. There is no law that can keep people from trying to survive short of killing them. At least they're much more hard working than the average American.
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quote m2caldwell
quote Cinamon
If they really and truly wanted to eliminate illegal immigrants, they would target the employers who hire them in the first place.
Again, if you would actually read the Arizona law, you would see that the largest part of it (pages 6-15 of the 17 page document) is devoted to exactly that. GOOD!!! I hope Arizona gets rid of all the hardest working people that reside there. If you think that getting rid of hard working consumers is better for the economy then you have brain damage. Arizona will soon return to the abysmal desert that it was before the white man came along. Maybe that was God's plan all along dontcha think?
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quote Beliel
If they want to do it, it's their state and their business. Their people's representatives voted on it, so it's law by popular consent. I can respect that.
All those bleeding-heart liberals who are threatening to sue are just busybodies interfering on other people's private affairs.
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a communist; Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a socialist; Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a trade unionist; Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a Jew; Then they came for me-- and there was no one left to speak out for me.
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quote Sah_Kuh_Suckers
quote Cinamon
At least they're much more hard working than the average American. Now who's being racist? Their personal work ethic is admirable, but that doesn't give them license to break international law. Last time I checked "American" isn't a race.
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quote Beliel
quote Cinamon
quote Beliel
If they want to do it, it's their state and their business. Their people's representatives voted on it, so it's law by popular consent. I can respect that.
All those bleeding-heart liberals who are threatening to sue are just busybodies interfering on other people's private affairs.
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a communist; Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a socialist; Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a trade unionist; Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a Jew; Then they came for me-- and there was no one left to speak out for me. Thanks, but no thanks. I'm a member of the minority in the United States, but I also happen to be a member of the gun-owning portion of Americans. I'm in this country legally and I love it with all my heart. I have nothing to fear aside from the politically-correct, gun-grabbing liberals - precisely the type of people opposing Arizona's right to choose. My philosophy is clear: when in Rome, do as the Romans do. Hell, I have even gone as far as serving in the military of a country I wasn't even born in, simply because I see conscription as the duty of all citizens. And in the extremely unlikely event that "they" do come for me, there is no way I'm going quietly. Think the film "Defiance" and the real people it depicted. My point was, when someone elses liberty is at stake, yours will soon follow. I'm sure your gun will do you alot of good before you get squashed like an overgrown cockroach. Your right to choose ends where someone elses right to live begins. Why doesn't Arizona simply make immigration laws simpler? That would reduce alot of illegal immigrants.
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quote Beliel
Cockroach? Lovely simile. You should get out of your mother's basement and visit the memorial in Warsaw, Poland. Read about what happened there in 1943. One thing's for sure, though. Those persecuted Jews surely didn't "get squashed like overgrown cockroaches" without a serious fight. My mother's basement is quite roomy indeed. Wanna join? So what? They lost. The war could not have been won without a global unity, without people willing to fight to protect freedom and liberty that may or may not directly pertain to them. You and your gun will be nothing against them and their brains. quoteMy right to choose ends where someone else's right to live begins? Oh, okay. So if you walked into my house and started to sleep in my bed and eat my food, I'm obligated to consent just because your house wasn't as nice and that you have "a right to live?" No. Illegal immigrants did not steal from anyone. Did any of them take money from you? They simply work for a wage. If the government chooses to spend their money on illegal immigrants, that is the fault of the government. quoteMexicans have a right to live. IN MEXICO. They have a right to live here, too, if they go through the immigration process that every immigrant is subject to. What they are doing is attempting to bully the US into granting them special treatment. That does not happen in a nation of law. So why not make immigration laws simpler and less tedious? It's extremely difficult to gain entry into the US "legally" which is why there are so many illegal immigrants.
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I'm quite curious as to why conservatives *ahem* I mean libertarians think Obama single handedly destroyed our economy. What science fiction novel is this from?
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quote Angyles Cerddoriaeth
I asked what he was doing about the immigration issue, not what is he doing in general. He is trying to work on the economy, ok not so great in some areas California is still at 12.7%.
Hey!!! Haven't you tried flipping burgers and working the drive through at the same time? It's hard work man!!! Add the cash register too and you'll be burning the hamburger patties in no time! Multi-tasking is no joke!!!
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quote GuardianGriffen
2- Racial profiling has been allowed for years. You must hire a certain number of "X" race and gender to be considered in compliance with the 'equal' opportunity laws. How is that not racial profiling; how is that equal at all? The fact is when the white guy gets screwed no one cares, but when some supposed minority gets screwed it is 'injustice and unconstitutional'.
Employers should be forced to provide fair hiring practices? OMG Nazis!!! You think people should not be pulled over because they look a certain way? OMG you Hitler supporters!!! You think people should have affordable health care? You scummy socialists!!! Edit: Aug 08, 10
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quote GuardianGriffen
No. You can't force 'equal' hiring practices. It actually becomes a numbers game and is racial profiling. No one seems to care that it isn't equal rights because white people are the victoms.
Getting pulled over and having your citizenship verified is so trematic.. I already said I would have no objection to EVERYONE being pulled over in the state and considered that a logical proposition because people are so damn afraid of not being PC.
The government is doing a shitty job with healthcare in general. But no, I don't want people who crash the party to piss in my Cool Aid too. That crosses the line.
Slippery slope fallacies galore. Oh no, not the "nobody cares about white people" crap. If you haven't noticed, white people have much more advantage over minorities in America. Caucasian homicides get investigated much more thoroughly than minority cases. Most of the richest people in America are white. The media is predominantly white. The list goes on. Take your sob story somewhere else. Human biases will assure that people will not be treated fairly. For example, people of middle eastern descent get "randomly" checked at airports much more often than white people.
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quote GuardianGriffen
Do you wounder why or look in the past for similar circumstances?
Unlike Germany, this has more to do with nationality and less to do with race in general. Many other countries around the world are a specific or a few specific races. When Japan bombed Pearl Harbor there was much worse discrimination against asian americans. They were rounded up in camps and indeed treated as second class citizens. With the recent issues, there have been some detentions and many more inconvinient holdups for some people.
Issues of a national nature cause actions normaly deamed racist to be excused due to fear. If the fear is a genuine threat, this isn't always a horrible thing. Fear is a survival instinct for a reason. Back to your original example. What is worse, stopping people based on racial profiling or a massive detonation that kills loads of people?
So instead of learning from past mistakes, we repeat them. Nice. Considering that the US has a population of 300 million plus (and counting), a few hundred lives or even thousands hardly count as a "load of people". More like a handful. So should liberty and freedom be violated due to paranoia? Violations of ideologies and moral standards have a much more dire consequence than risking a few lives. Why should a mass of people be responsible for the irresponsibility of a few? When a middle aged, white man is found as a serial killer, should everyone be afraid of white men? Your excuses are absurd.
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