Arizona Immigration - Page 6

Setting aside the criminals, if someone from Mexico (or any other country) wants a better life in the US and is willing to work, then let them come. They should be treated like anyone else who works in this country. They pay taxes, and they can take advantage of what the US has to offer.

I don't want imigrants coming here and breaking the law, selling drugs, or going on welfare without even attempting to get a job. If Arizona is so big on making laws, then make a law to go after the businesses who hire illegals "off the books" for a cash wage. The employer isn't paying their part of the taxes (and maybe health insurance), and neither is the worker.

Even if they're here illegaly, if they want to legitimately work, then let them. Making it clear that you won't deport on sight people just because they're illegal will make them less likely to hide and/or have to accept "off the books" work.

Let them work and be a part of our country as long as they are taxed like everyone else.

quote GuardianGriffen

Bottom line: Arizona did a logical thing. Learn about the issues in states like Arizona, before you judge their actions.

Absolutely right. Not only did Arizona do the logical thing, it's the legal thing too, since the Arizona law simply reinforces existing federal law.

I believe the lawsuit brought against Arizona by Obama's Jusice Department will fail. Their grounds for suing Arizona are based on the concept of "pre-emption", meaning that federal law supercedes Arizona law and pre-empts Arizona's authority to pass and enforce their law. There are several problems with this, chief among them being that the Arizona law does not go beyond existing federeal law in any way; it merely reinforces it. But the even simpler problem with the "pre-emption" argument is this: If "pre-emption" means that federal authorities are the only ones who can enforce federal immigration laws, then the same must be true for other federal laws as well...like bank robbery or kidnapping, for instance. Logically, pre-emption should prevent local law enforcement from acting against those federal crimes as well, which is a completely ridiculous and unrealistic notion. And if you're going to go after Arizona for passing their own immigration law, claiming it violates federal authority, then you have to go after Rhode Island, who has a similar law to Arizona's and is already enforcing it, and you also have to go after all of the so-called "sanctuary cities", who have also undermined federal authority by passing their own laws declaring themselves "sanctuaries" and refusing to enforce federal immigration laws...it works both ways, you see?

How about just letting all the immigrants come but not allowing access to welfare unless you're native-born?

Lets not suger coat this bullshit here people. Call the *bleep*ing smelly ass tird in the middle of the road a *bleep*ing smelly ass turd. The *bleep*ing mexicans are going into *bleep*ing arizona and commiting crimes against citizens of the great US of A. I am not a fan of drugs, murder, rape, or any other violent crime. Illegal immigrants are an abnormally large chunk of the asshole *bleep*ers doing this shit. (here is one reason you need to live in a state or investigate the situation in a state to comment on this issue.) So someone needs to get off their lazy *bleep*ing politician ass and do something about it. Enter the wise state of Arizona and this practical law.

Racial profiling be *bleep*ing damned. They are *bleep*ing mexicans killing our *bleep*ing citizens. I believe Texas has it right on murder. You kill our people and we can kill you back. I think Arizonas compromise is a much more responcible way of dealing with this situation. Avoiding them killing us so we don't need to kill them. I call that a win-win situation there. Do I consider this a permanent solution? NO but *bleep* it gets the job done till the liberal whinners can get off their ass and fix shit. Less violent crime is a good thing.

Let us make something clear here. Immigration in general is a seperate topic. I shall divide my comments to illustrate this.
General Immigration

quote Angyles Cerddoriaeth

quote Bastiat

How about just letting all the immigrants come but not allowing access to welfare unless you're native-born?

That is technically already the rule. Problem is you have way too many women coming over having anchor babies, and that entitles them to assistance.

This is the single biggest offensive thing to me as far as the issue of immigration in general. Mom(non-US illegal)+Dad(non-US illegal)= Non-US citizen illegal. No ifs ands or butts. Deport those who don't have US citizen or legal immigrant parents.

Arizona Immigration

quote Angyles Cerddoriaeth

Also to those who are against it, you do realize Arizona is not sending these people home, they are turning them over to ICE for deportation. Arizona is merely picking people up when they are lawfully stopped.

Arizona isn't responsible for what happens to the nation or the immigration policy in general. The actions they have taken have enspired lazy politicians, who don't give a damn about the issues in states like this because of the political affiliation or obscurity and how that effects their chances of getting elected, to get off their ass and do something.


Summary - Both
Leaders of this nation often ignore the problems of people who don't support them in elections. The duty of these individuals of LOW moral character is to ALL the citizens of the nation and not just the FEW who voted for them. Some issues are just more important then party lines. There are few times I think of Bush Jr as a good president. I wish this would have been resolved while he was still in office. As former Governor of the state of Texas he knew this issue personally. I wish every politician personally or knew someone close that contracted every disease, faced every hardship, and lived through the most horrible experiences in life. Only then could they be qualified, having the empathy of a great leader. Look at our only 4 term president FDR. His tragic life prepared him to be an amazing leader.

quote GuardianGriffen

Lets not suger coat this bullshit here people. Call the *bleep*ing smelly ass tird in the middle of the road a *bleep*ing smelly ass turd. The *bleep*ing mexicans are going into *bleep*ing arizona and commiting crimes against citizens of the great US of A. I am not a fan of drugs, murder, rape, or any other violent crime. Illegal immigrants are an abnormally large chunk of the asshole *bleep*ers doing this shit. (here is one reason you need to live in a state or investigate the situation in a state to comment on this issue.) So someone needs to get off their lazy *bleep*ing politician ass and do something about it. Enter the wise state of Arizona and this practical law.

Racial profiling be *bleep*ing damned. They are *bleep*ing mexicans killing our *bleep*ing citizens. I believe Texas has it right on murder. You kill our people and we can kill you back. I think Arizonas compromise is a much more responcible way of dealing with this situation. Avoiding them killing us so we don't need to kill them. I call that a win-win situation there. Do I consider this a permanent solution? NO but *bleep* it gets the job done till the liberal whinners can get off their ass and fix shit. Less violent crime is a good thing.

Wow, just wow. A few weeks ago, you came on this forum and I regarded you as a calm individual, but slowly you've revealed yourself to be completely opposite. Let's start with your obsession to being non-politically correct for the heck of it and not for any substantial reason besides your fear and ignorance

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This is the single biggest offensive thing to me as far as the issue of immigration in general. Mom(non-US illegal)+Dad(non-US illegal)= Non-US citizen illegal. No ifs ands or butts. Deport those who don't have US citizen or legal immigrant parents.

You're gonna have to change the constitution for that, sorry, you can blame slavery for letting that happen.

The whole mentality of "let's get them first before they get us" is not healthy, it has never been, and never will be and that's what you rednecks don't get. It leads to wars, violence and inquisition type stuff. The same kind of mentality of those who opposed the civil rights. And before you come in here and say "hey, but unlike those racists, I don't actually hate them" no, but like a lot of those who opposed you were simply there for the fear and projected them into something you can fear and hate, evidenced by your swearing, which makes you look like a kid. Blaming all the rapes and murders on Mexicans isn't gonna make it go away, and neither with any other social problems.

http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/crime/toc.html studies have shown that native born citizens commit as much if not more crimes than immigrants. It also basically says that you shouldn't let fear turn you into an ignorant racist like you, yes I'm calling you this so you can think and review about what you've said, and it's also cause it's true. You don't have to mean to be a racist to be one.

I'm not saying let's open our borders, in fact something does need to be done (just not at the cost of further racial unrest like Arizona). However generalizing is pretty darn stupid and it's the biggest sign of ignorance out there, and whether you meant it or not, that makes you a racist.

Do some research and learn how to spell, damn it.

Well you fooled me, kudos to you lol.

Well it's complicated, I'm not sure how to deal with the being born here either as I am at odds with my own citizenship. I was born in a colony of an empire, a rather simplistic view, but it hits the spot. I can't help but feel of what would have happened if the U.S. conquered another country instead of mine, it's very complex.

Honestly...no, you should be the child of at least one U.S. citizen in order to be qualified as such in birth, most other countries have it, we should too.

I actually think the problem with our citizenship isn't that one simply has to be born here. That isn't the problem. The problem is our unwillingness to Kick the parents out, and then SEND the child citizens with their FAMILIES. Give the children citizenship, but what right do they have to live in our country without families and support? Just because you are a citizen and a minor doesn't mean we are burden with taking care of you. If their parents are illegal, they are their guardians and family and should all be booted back to the parents country. And when the child comes of age, or finds a foster parent in the US to take care the responsibility, THEN they can cross the boarder legally, and enjoy the American life.

However, this is going to be widely unpopular, so I am all for making it mandatory that one of your parents needs to be a citizen. And none of that sperm/egg donation shit allowed either. Close that loop hole up before some 1st year law student figures it out and sues creating some stupid loop hole.