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| Fatherbrain30 |
Aug 06, 10 at 1:14am ^
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Log in to remove this advertisement quote GuardianGriffenLol paranoia. And no it's the Federal Government when I mean "Your country". The real rulers of the U.S. sit in leather thrones in tall towers. I'm sure you know who I'm speaking off. -------------------
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| GuardianGriffen |
Aug 06, 10 at 1:35am ^
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quote Fatherbrain30Please do explain how keeping illegal immigrants out of the US helps corperations and their bottom lines. Or are you using this as a reason they don't want to deal with the issue of immigration? Also how is kicking them out of the country hurting the citizens of the US to benefit the evil corperations? Why do people hate cops? To me this is related to the issue. Cops keep the ritch ritch and prevent the poor from taking from them. I would have to say that your average criminal isn't close to a modern day Robin Hood. They also take away your drugs. ------------------- RFS | TES4 | DIY | USA | |
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| Fatherbrain30 |
Aug 06, 10 at 1:38am ^
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quote GuardianGriffenNope, it has nothing to do with the fact of the unwarranted self importance a lot of them get by joining the force. Nothing to do with large reported cases of racial profiling, pure racism and police brutality. Nope can't see the reason why Cops are hated. -------------------
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| AnonymousGuy |
Aug 06, 10 at 2:04am ^
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quote silverbonerSo it has nothing whatsoever to do with California's massive drug habit? Also, note the bold part. We DO tax them. You do understand that in order to be able to go to public schools, they have to be legal? which means paying taxes... quoteMany of which are african american (Bloods and the Crips) and white (Aryan Brotherhood). quote guardiangriffinYou're judging all mexicans as drug dealers and murderers because of a few isolated incidents of farmers getting between drug cartels and their shipping lanes. I suppose you think all black people are bastard children too? Got any more blatantly racist crap to pull out of your ass? quote silverbonerWow way to make a hypocrite of yourself. It's really sad that you're a representation of christianity. Do yourself a favor and burn your bible because you clearly haven't read a !@#$ing word of it. If you are not prepared to live by the words in that book you revere so much, then don't you dare ever use it as justification for anything you say. Child prosititution in Thailand is our problem. Starvation in mexico is our problem. Genocides in africa are our problem. To say otherwise is to renounce everything that Jesus Christ taught you. quoteHospitals are closing down because US citizens who are nothing more than entitled self-important worms refuse to stop sueing doctors any time any procedure, no matter how well informed the patient was of the risks, goes wrong. This forces doctors to invest in pricey malpractice insurance. The hospitals have to then pay the doctors an outrageous salary so that the doctors can afford that pricey malpractice insurance. The hospitals also have to invest in lawyers for those doctors, and for themselves if the patient sues the hospital instead. The reason hospitals are going bankrupt and closing down has everything to do with american sense of entitlement and greed and nothing whatsoever to do with a mexican immigrant who spends two hours in the waiting room so a low level peon can spend five minutes setting and casting his broken arm, prescribe some vicodon, and send him on his way. quote guardiangriffinAll hail the rise of the nazi party! Listen to some of Adolf Hitlers speeches. You'll find he uses those exact words to justify the oppression and intolerance of jewish immigrants in Germany, many of whom had been there for generations. quoteBlind obediance makes you no more than a dog. This is why patriotism and nationalism are shitty ideals. quoteWhy outsource jobs when you have cheap slave labor right here at home? quote guardiangriffin quote guardiangriffinThat has something to do with it. Also it might have something to do with the fact that law enforcement tends to attract a certain personality type. You might recognize that personality type as the dumb jock who beat you up after class in jr high. Also all the lovely corruption and harrasment I witnessed from cops growing up in my hometown. No but really, their all lovely people. Ok, and as far as the arizona law goes. Yes, it expressly forbids racial profiling. But a law that punishes law enforcement officers who fail to investigate suspected illegals (when we all know the only illegals we have are coming from mexico) is going to do nothing but encourage racial profiling. I don't really give a shit what the law says, because I know, and you know, that when the day comes, that cop is not going to pull John over and ask for his green card, and he's not going to pull Latoya over and ask for her green card, he's going to pull jose over, and that is racial profiling. We shouldn't alienate the immigrants who HAVE come here legally, by submitting them to constant racial profiling and harassment by law enforcement officers who are being encouraged to go above and beyond to investigate illegal immigration, at the possible cost of their jobs. ------------------- Stoop kid's afraid to leave his stoop. | |
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| GuardianGriffen |
Aug 06, 10 at 2:22am ^
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On neo we have cops. They are called moderators and supermods. People don't like them and I have heard many reports about how they are unfair. I have been a leader in the past and know how people act when they don't like choices you make. People are flawed and yes that includes cops. If you come across as untrusting to them, they may consider that suspiciouse. People who give them attitude are probably doing something wrong in the first place. I know I would assume that. I call that a self fufilling proficy.
quote AnonymousGuyThe way to make this PC is to ask for the green card as SOP. Since people are bitching about doing it as racial profiling, that is how it could eventually go. Everyone gets equally *bleep*ed over and it is used as an excuse to hold people longer for anyone. quote AnonymousGuyRead the rest of what I was saying. In fact you quoted all my posts out of context... quote AnonymousGuy quote AnonymousGuy quote AnonymousGuy ------------------- RFS | TES4 | DIY | USA | |
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| Fatherbrain30 |
Aug 06, 10 at 2:34am ^
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No he's saying that Nationalism is stupid, which it is.
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| AnonymousGuy |
Aug 06, 10 at 2:41am ^
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Yeah, don't get me wrong, I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. I don't take it personally, since I consider neoseeker healthy debate. It's healthy to have my ideas challanged. But nationalism IS responsible for the rise of the nazi party. It's a mentality that allows stronger nations to bully weaker nations, and encourages political isolation and nihilism. We're all human beings, we're all residents of mother earth, and we need to start learning fast, how to get along and stop killing eachother over *bleep*ing lines on a map.
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| Bakka |
Aug 06, 10 at 2:47am ^
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Nationalism mentality is stupid and unethical, yeah. Potentially, however I doubt it, it is on the way out with the increasing digital age of communication.
Empathy for the fellow man keeps on breeding and has been increasing in area throughout mans lifetime. quote AnonymousGuy*bleep*ing great forms of social control though. | |
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| GuardianGriffen |
Aug 06, 10 at 3:12am ^
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Forgive me if I am unable to understand loving everyone with open arms as we are sending people to their deaths fighting across the globe. I find that to be two faced. I don't think the world is all rainbows and sunshine here. People trying to kill each other is one reason we should watch our borders.
quote AnonymousGuyI didn't like McCain's stance on world politics. There are many issues I disagree with Obama about. This is not one of them. I voted for a diplomat with the guts to pull the trigger and a finger that doesn't itch. That is what I got as my President. quote BakkaWe let people come here legally. I love meeting new people actually. They have such interesting stories and you can learn a lot about how things are in other places. Their views on life are different and sometimes that brings a valuable resorce. One of the things I like most about my country is its diversity. All these different people to learn from and get to know. It's a blast talking to them IRL. The illegal immigrants just make it so fewer legal ones can come here. So we get over flooded with Mexicans and the rest of the world gets shut out. How that has anything to do with empathy is beyond me. How does that make you empathetic Bakka? ------------------- RFS | TES4 | DIY | USA | |
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| Bakka |
Aug 06, 10 at 3:21am ^
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On a personal level or a general level?
In general nationalism doesn't hold much for the way empathy of your fellow man from other countries. Now I'm sure there are many nationalists that don't think that way and your gonna wanna try and explain and prove that avenue I suspect. Exceptions to rules don't disprove them nor am I even talking about people but ideals. On a personal level you don't seem to have much empathy for mexicans. Anyway get back to immigration, don't let this devolve into a patriotism yey or ney thing. | |
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| GuardianGriffen |
Aug 06, 10 at 4:16am ^
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We are a nation of immigrants that speak english in common. We let people come here. Part of what we look for in citizens is speaking english. They must also love the freedom which we fight for and swear loyalty to the principles upon which we are built. It is called the land of opertunity for a reason. You make of it what you will.
The more people who just crash the party, the less people we will let in through legal channels. Illegals often don't know english. Many pregnant mothers get to stay because the baby was born here and so we don't kick the mother out. If the father was legally here that is one thing. Otherwise the child can apply for US citizenship when it gets older or go into foster care if the mother won't take the child. The more we do that the less we will get people using reproduction to stay in the country. Who needs a Visa when a child works? ------------------- RFS | TES4 | DIY | USA | |
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| Fatherbrain30 |
Aug 06, 10 at 5:05am ^
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quote"Hey Beaner, start TALKING! We wanna see if you're able to speak our language" By the way Fascist at the Federal level we have no national language. Which is why two states, Louisiana and New Mexico, have two state-wide languages. Once again, no. DARN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ISN'T MAKING ENGLISH FORCED, SO WERE ADAPTING ENGLISH AS OUR STATE LANGUAGE. Alright there, Tex, no one's gonna argue with you. -------------------
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| GuardianGriffen |
Aug 06, 10 at 5:22am ^
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Sure whatever floats your boat FB.
I was thinking more on the lines of "License and registration please." Then if they don't speak english you look for proof of citizenship. I don't think I have ever heard such un-PC things spoken IRL. ------------------- RFS | TES4 | DIY | USA | |
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| Fatherbrain30 |
Aug 06, 10 at 11:51am ^
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quote GuardianGriffenThat's assuming they drive, which they won't for the most part. If you can catch a few driving. Kudos. What I'm talking about are pedestrians. quote Various SourcesEverything you and ever other conservative has said is bullshit and stems either for subconscious fear of losing your white identity or misinformation, probably both. Republicans...are...*bleep*ing...stupid. Edit: Aug 06, 10 -------------------
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| silverboner |
Aug 06, 10 at 4:17pm ^
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quote Fatherbrain30Except I never generalized a whole nationality. Do you really have to make up stuff about me to have something to say? quote Fatherbrain30Since when is "Because I said so" proof? You haven't proven this. Its your biased, irrational opinion. Remember the "less facts and truth" claim you made? You are definitely right about that, because you haven't given any facts, only your opinion. And its filled with as much bigotry as you inaccurately claim about me. quote AnonymousGuyWhat are you talking about? CA drug addicts are not responsible for CA tanking in education. You are going to need to explain by what you meant with this, for sure. Otherwise, I see no connection what so ever to what I was saying. quote AnonymousGuyNot if they get paid cash under the table. Their PARENTS don't necessary get taxed simply because their KIDS are legal. Further, and lets get this straight, I wasn't talking about illegals in CALIFORNIA/USA. I was talking about Mexicans IN Mexico, sending their KIDS to schools in the USA. I was also talking about African Kids in some 3rd world country in Africa (Pick one), sending their kids to schools in the USA. This is what you are essentially arguing for, if nationalism, if discrimination based on one's nationality (American vs Non-American) is wrong. The entire purpose of the federal government is to discriminate between Americans and NON-Americans. If such national discrimination is WRONG, then we should be allowing some poor family in Africa to apply for American Welfare. We should be allowing any family in Mexico then access to American services. And we cannot afford it. We cannot even afford to give the illegals AND Americans a decent education in CA, and you think we shouldn't discriminate based on their national citizenship? HOW ARE WE TO PAY FOR ALLOWING ANYONE AND EVERYONE TO USE AMERICAN SERVICES? Since you DIDN'T answer the question, I can only presume you see the problem. quote AnonymousGuy Yes and no. Paul also said in Romans to abide by the law. In other words, if I were to follow my Bible I have to abide by laws set forth by my government. That means illegals are STILL WRONG! Don't cherry pick the Bible. You are going to loose. HOW ARE WE TO PAY FOR SOLVING THEIR PROBLEMS WHEN WE CANNOT EVEN FIX OUR OWN? Do you really think trying to solve the worlds problems while simultaneously allowing our own nation to crumble into poverty, hunger, and organized crime is the "Christian thing to do"? We have to have our own house in order first. Not only that, but encouraging lawlessness, isn't Christian either. So if the law says "they cannot cross the boarder", then the Christian thing to do, is to not allow that, and not encourage that. The Christian thing to do, is to change the system, go through the proper channels. Remember even the NT claims there is a time for everything, even to kill. But, you haven't made your case. What happens in another country are their problem. That is what being a soverign nation entails. If it was our problem, we would have jurisdiction, we would have power to tax and police. And we have none of that power, outside our boarders. quote AnonymousGuyProve it. I provided a link, a study, you provided what? Your empty opinion? Here are some more articles for you to get caught up to speed {read: facts}. NY TImes New Jersey Times I am sure you won't like this A doctor's view point. ...... edit quote AnonymousGuyGood advise. Why don't they start by "getting along" with OUR LAWS, and not cross the boarder illegally? As a measure of good faith? You people think nationalism is stupid, but nobody has bothered to answer how it is the US can pay for allowing anyone to use American services in Health Care or education. The fact is that federal governments are there to protect THEIR constituents. Not the nationals of some other country. quoteAs though this matters. THis is a emotional plea. quote First of all, the killing of the rancher didn't provide momentum for the legislation. It was the final straw, the straw that broke the camel's back. The legislation has been in the works in various forms for a while, not just the last few months. Second, there are portions of US land that we are being advised NOT to travel through. That proves that crimes from drug cartels is so rampant that the federal and state governments cannot even protect Americans on American soil. There is a national park on the boarder that Americans are advised not to explore, and I already posted a video about Interstate 8 being advised not to use. 3. Why does it matter WHEN they illegally entered the country? Does it matter if someone murdered someone in cold blood 5, 10 or 15 years ago? quoteSo what? They are law breakers. And the businesses that hire them (at least in some states). Edit: Aug 06, 10 ------------------- Evil necessitates God. Do you know what is so important about the number 447,225,917,218,507,401,284,016mg/cc??? Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. | |
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