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Faust Champion of Opal NeoXtreme total posts: 8628 since: Apr 2008	Jul 10, 09 at 12:50am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	Log in to remove this sponsored message quote Sah_Kuh_Suckers Yeah, to begin with, sex really shouldn't be recreational... Well it is recreational and it's my right to choose it for such purposes, even if you disagree with it. That choice has no bearing on your own liberty, so if you don't like it, don't do it. Simple. We can't pass legislation to enforce opinions.
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Northern49 THIS IS NOT HOW I IMAGINED IT. Hooked on Neo total posts: 4443 since: May 2005	Jul 10, 09 at 1:46am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	I'm so bleeping sick of your moral oral crap, Sah_Kuh_Suckers. Explain to me why sex shouldn't be recreational? Give me one logical reason for it.
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Rome Hooah CruisiN' total posts: 20063 since: Aug 2006	Jul 10, 09 at 2:10am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	Northern, calm down. Sah, you really cannot dictate what should or should not be. We live in a free society, and if our actions hurt no one else, then they really cannot be considered unethical. -------------------
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Sah Kuh Suckers From under the waterfall-- into the Sky s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1868 since: Sep 2007	Jul 10, 09 at 2:29am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	quote Rome Northern, calm down. Sah, you really cannot dictate what should or should not be. We live in a free society, and if our actions hurt no one else, then they really cannot be considered unethical. That's just what I think. I never enforced anything. I can say I disapprove of viewing porn for example, but I'm not ordering anything. quote Northern49 I'm so bleeping sick of your moral oral crap, Sah_Kuh_Suckers. Explain to me why sex shouldn't be recreational? Give me one logical reason for it. So much for zero tolerance. Sex is what gives life, it's not to be overshadowed simply with pleasure. When you take it like that, it's being selfish to yourself. IMO not much different from mutual masturbation, with the exception of unwanted pregnancies. -------------------
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Faust Champion of Opal NeoXtreme total posts: 8628 since: Apr 2008	Jul 10, 09 at 2:33am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	Nothing wrong with seeking pleasure, really, i promise.
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Sah Kuh Suckers From under the waterfall-- into the Sky s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1868 since: Sep 2007	Jul 10, 09 at 2:35am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	quote Byzantine Nothing wrong with seeking pleasure, really, i promise. It is if you get pregnant, and shirk the responsibility for it. -------------------
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Faust Champion of Opal NeoXtreme total posts: 8628 since: Apr 2008	Jul 10, 09 at 2:42am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	Nah, getting an abortion is taking responsibility for the act. It's just not one of the responsible outcomes you're able to accept.
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Sah Kuh Suckers From under the waterfall-- into the Sky s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1868 since: Sep 2007	Jul 10, 09 at 2:45am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	quote Byzantine Nah, getting an abortion is taking responsibility for the act. It's just not one of the responsible outcomes you're able to accept. I need to know something, um, if a fetus' life was up to you, and all of the normal cons of carrying this child through were eliminated, how much would you take to be paid to terminate it? I mean this like, all cons, the mother is okay with either termination or life, everything. -------------------
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771l9 771l9 high on "N" since: Dec 2006	Jul 10, 09 at 4:24am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	The difference between using a condom and abortion is that a sperm cell and and egg cell alone are not a human being. They are still part of you, with half your dna. A fetus is an entirely new organism with its own unique dna. Sure you can say its ok to kill it because no one will care, but that doesn't make it wrong. Your essentially arguing murder is ok. Today sex is seen as something with no meaning. When it is the very thing that creates a new human being. We use condoms/pills to prevent the actual sex from happening, but when it does there is an actual human life that is created, and we can't just kill it because its inconvenient. Sex with a partner using multiple forms of protection is a responsible way of having sex, but most of the problems come from people who don't understand that the pill is not 100% effective, that condoms do fail, and have sex anyway without being willing to accept the possible consequences. Pregnancy doesn't just randomly occur to an unlucky girl. It happens from irresponsible sex. Its easy to use the pill and condom. But you still have to accept the fact that you still can get pregnant. If you can't accept the responsibility, than you shouldn't be having sex, because you don't know why its so important. Abortion almost makes it ok to have irresponsible sex, and makes sex have no meaning. As soon as the very act which creates us all becomes nothing more than for pleasure, then we have a problem. -------------------
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Faust Champion of Opal NeoXtreme total posts: 8628 since: Apr 2008	Jul 10, 09 at 4:29am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	quote Sah_Kuh_Suckers I need to know something, um, if a fetus' life was up to you, and all of the normal cons of carrying this child through were eliminated, how much would you take to be paid to terminate it? I mean this like, all cons, the mother is okay with either termination or life, everything. If you're asking what i think you're asking, i would terminate it if that's what the mother wanted for nothing but the cost of the procedure. It's her choice not to have a child and her right to exercise that choice for whatever reason. quote 771l9 The difference between using a condom and abortion is that a sperm cell and and egg cell alone are not a human being. They are still part of you, with half your dna. A fetus is an entirely new organism with its own unique dna. Sure you can say its ok to kill it because no one will care, but that doesn't make it wrong. Your essentially arguing murder is ok. Seriously stop with this circular nonsense. I've already told you, i don't think it's alive, i'm not going to think it's alive, and you can't kill what's not alive. I'm not going to bother replying to any more posts you make that just keep reiterating the same tired bull. quote 771l9 Sex with a partner using multiple forms of protection is a responsible way of having sex, but most of the problems come from people who don't understand that the pill is not 100% effective, that condoms do fail, and have sex anyway without being willing to accept the possible consequences. Pregnancy doesn't just randomly occur to an unlucky girl. It happens from irresponsible sex. Its easy to use the pill and condom. But you still have to accept the fact that you still can get pregnant. If you can't accept the responsibility, than you shouldn't be having sex, because you don't know why its so important. Abortion almost makes it ok to have irresponsible sex, and makes sex have no meaning. As soon as the very act which creates us all becomes nothing more than for pleasure, then we have a problem. Abortion is taking responsibility for your actions. It is a consequence, just not one you're willing to accept.
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771l9 771l9 high on "N" since: Dec 2006	Jul 10, 09 at 4:54am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	quote Byzantine Seriously stop with this circular nonsense. I've already told you, i don't think it's alive, i'm not going to think it's alive, and you can't kill what's not alive. I'm not going to bother replying to any more posts you make that just keep reiterating the same tired bull. You asked why using birth control would not be considered murder, if I thought abortion was murder. I explained the difference. quote Byzantine Abortion is taking responsibility for your actions. It is a consequence, just not one you're willing to accept. No its not, your simply destroying the embryo to save yourself from going through pregnancy. When you are in a situation where you have the choice of abortion, whether or not you think abortion is acceptable, there are two out comes: -go though pregnancy, a person comes out of it and lives their life -kill the fetus, don't go through pregnancy, that person never lives The most responsible thing to do would be to give up that 9 months of your life to give another human a chance at life. Abortion is the easier way out, but a life is lost in the process. Nothing about it is "responsible" in any way. You can define "alive" any way you want, but you can't deny that in abortion you are purposely destroying something, that on its own would become a human being. Why not accept the truth, and explain why the mother has a right to deny a human life? You skin cells, a single sperm, a mosquito all will not, if left by themselves, try to grow and develop into a human. Note that I said "try." Obviously without energy from the mother it will die, but it will "try" to grow an develop. With out food from its mother and infant will try to grow and survive. You may think its not alive but you haven't come up with any counter argument to prove that in abortion you are not directing preventing a human being from living. You just keep to your definitions, which have little to do with the issue at hand. Why does a mother have that right to abortion, when she already knew the possible outcome when she choose to have sex? -------------------
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Faust Champion of Opal NeoXtreme total posts: 8628 since: Apr 2008	Jul 10, 09 at 5:15am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	quote 771l9 The most responsible thing to do would be to give up that 9 months of your life to give another human a chance at life. Abortion is the easier way out, but a life is lost in the process. Nothing about it is "responsible" in any way. You can define "alive" any way you want, but you can't deny that in abortion you are purposely destroying something, that on its own would become a human being. Actually, yes i can. An abortion isn't about choosing to destroy something, it's about choosing not to create something. It's just like using birth control. It is being responsible. quote 771l9 You may think its not alive but you haven't come up with any counter argument to prove that in abortion you are not directing preventing a human being from living. you are, just like you're doing so when you wear a love glove or the girl takes anti-baby pills. the concept isn't any different. quote 771l9 Why does a mother have that right to abortion, when she already knew the possible outcome when she choose to have sex? Same reason i'll put on a love glove or the reason a girl takes the pill. She has the right to not create a child if she so chooses.
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Sah Kuh Suckers From under the waterfall-- into the Sky s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1868 since: Sep 2007	Jul 10, 09 at 5:16am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	quote Byzantine If you're asking what i think you're asking, i would terminate it if that's what the mother wanted for nothing but the cost of the procedure. It's her choice not to have a child and her right to exercise that choice for whatever reason. No. If you had the life of a fetus in your hand. How much money would you take if someone would pay you to terminate the fetus. The fetus is neither wanted or unwanted by the mother. She is fine with either decision you make. Basically, removing the weight of "rights" against the life of the fetus. -------------------
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Faust Champion of Opal NeoXtreme total posts: 8628 since: Apr 2008	Jul 10, 09 at 5:20am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	quote Sah_Kuh_Suckers No. If you had the life of a fetus in your hand. How much money would you take if someone would pay you to terminate the fetus. The fetus is neither wanted or unwanted by the mother. She is fine with either decision you make. Basically, removing the weight of "rights" against the life of the fetus. It's her choice, and it's not mine to make. simply put, you're offering a fallacious scenario.
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Sah Kuh Suckers From under the waterfall-- into the Sky s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1868 since: Sep 2007	Jul 10, 09 at 5:22am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	quote Byzantine quote Sah_Kuh_Suckers No. If you had the life of a fetus in your hand. How much money would you take if someone would pay you to terminate the fetus. The fetus is neither wanted or unwanted by the mother. She is fine with either decision you make. Basically, removing the weight of "rights" against the life of the fetus. It's her choice, and it's not mine to make. simply put, you're offering a fallacious scenario. uh...no, you misunderstand again. Fine, take the mother out of the equation. Take all out cons and bad stuff you could possibly think of with carrying a baby. How much money is equal to that fetus? Or anything, I feel I should understand this before I continue conversation. -------------------
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