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771l9 771l9 high on "N" since: Dec 2006	Jul 09, 09 at 4:26am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	Log in to remove this advertisement But your still taking away its future life. -------------------
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Faust Champion of Opal NeoXtreme total posts: 8633 since: Apr 2008	Jul 09, 09 at 4:27am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	quote Sah_Kuh_Suckers So why is life required for rights? We have laws to prevent murder, rape, injury-- Because all of those crimes infringe upon LIBERTY and DIGNITY of living things. quote 771l9 But your still taking away its future life. I suppose, just like i'm preventing the flu virus from infecting me with a vaccination.
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robotbear high on "N" total posts: 701 since: Apr 2009	Jul 09, 09 at 4:29am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	quote 771l9 But your still taking away its future life. You don't know if it will have a future life. It might be a kid that dies of sudden infant death syndrome. Then what was the good of the pregnancy and labor? -------------------
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weskraudaon Neolithic total posts: 6226 GameGrep pts: 169 since: Nov 2006	Jul 09, 09 at 4:30am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	quote 771l9 But your still taking away its future life. So what? Is the fetus going to know what it's gonna do in the future when it's, not aware? Stop using that argument, a virus has the chance to live, a cow has a chance to live, so does a chicken when it's in the egg.
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Sah Kuh Suckers From under the waterfall-- into the Sky s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1868 since: Sep 2007	Jul 09, 09 at 4:30am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	quote Northern49 A fetus is not self-aware... quote Byzantine Because all of those crimes infringe upon LIBERTY and DIGNITY of living things. And since when is self-awareness required to define when life stops? Life can stop before it starts. As zen as this sounds, it does have truth in it. liberty, dignity, these are all fancy words, but liberty and dignity don't apply to those that you choose. Misogyny is the price I'll pay if I can make sure that my wife doesn't terminate my baby just because I don't have custody, or if so many people I could have known don't exist anymore. quote Stop using that argument, a virus has the chance to live, a cow has a chance to live, so does a chicken when it's in the egg. why? Free speech right? -------------------
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Kakarot Two much Neo since: Apr 2008	Jul 09, 09 at 4:32am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	quote Sah_Kuh_Suckers Misogyny is the price I'll pay if I can make sure that my wife doesn't terminate my baby just because I don't have custody, or if so many people I could have known don't exist anymore. This makes no sense... Misogyny is the hate of women right? Hate of women is the price i'll pay if I can make sure that my wife doesn't terminate my baby just because I don't have custody, or if so many people I could have known don't exist anymore. So you hate all women? ------------------- If you haven't yet been to Crisis Core you don't know what you are missing.
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Sah Kuh Suckers From under the waterfall-- into the Sky s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1868 since: Sep 2007	Jul 09, 09 at 4:34am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	The definition has been toned down since then. It's more like prejudice now. -------------------
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weskraudaon Neolithic total posts: 6226 GameGrep pts: 169 since: Nov 2006	Jul 09, 09 at 4:34am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	quote Sah_Kuh_Suckers quote Northern49 A fetus is not self-aware... quote Byzantine Because all of those crimes infringe upon LIBERTY and DIGNITY of living things. And since when is self-awareness required to define when life stops? Life can stop before it starts. As zen as this sounds, it does have truth in it. liberty, dignity, these are all fancy words, but liberty and dignity don't apply to those that you choose. Misogyny is the price I'll pay if I can make sure that my wife doesn't terminate my baby just because I don't have custody, or if so many people I could have known don't exist anymore. quote Stop using that argument, a virus has the chance to live, a cow has a chance to live, so does a chicken when it's in the egg. why? Free speech right? This is a debate, not a conversation.
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Kakarot Two much Neo since: Apr 2008	Jul 09, 09 at 4:34am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	Well women still have abortions so there are people you won't know because of that so you dislike all women because of this? Hate of women is the price i'll pay if I can't make sure that my wife doesn't terminate my baby just because I don't have custody, or if so many people I could have known don't exist anymore. I think you meant, but still it is a crappy thing to say. ------------------- If you haven't yet been to Crisis Core you don't know what you are missing.
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Faust Champion of Opal NeoXtreme total posts: 8633 since: Apr 2008	Jul 09, 09 at 4:36am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	quote Sah_Kuh_Suckers And since when is self-awareness required to define when life stops? Well, i have no idea what you're saying here. In my opinion, awareness of life is required in being alive. That which isn't aware, isn't alive. quote Sah_Kuh_Suckers liberty, dignity, these are all fancy words, but liberty and dignity don't apply to those that you choose. They apply to those which are alive. quote Sah_Kuh_Suckers Misogyny is the price I'll pay if I can make sure that my wife doesn't terminate my baby just because I don't have custody, or if so many people I could have known don't exist anymore. As Kakarot said, this makes no sense.
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Sah Kuh Suckers From under the waterfall-- into the Sky s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1868 since: Sep 2007	Jul 09, 09 at 4:38am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	I don't think abortion should be banned, or limited in anyway. A baby's parents know what's best for them, even if it is death. The problem is, you guys don't see it as a problem, but as a victory for rights. Nobody, I repeat, NOBODY should be glad when any movement for or against abortion is passed. Human life has been degraded into worth less than an animal. People are destroying the very foundations of biology by living by it. Misogyny means prejudice of women now. Wikipedia is not a fountain of knowledge. -------------------
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771l9 771l9 high on "N" since: Dec 2006	Jul 09, 09 at 4:39am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	You define living as a sate of awareness, or knowing that your breathing, do you die when you go to sleep? When your not aware of anything, do you die when you pass out? When your put to sleep for surgery? Living is the state of trying to survive, to use energy to grown/move/reproduce. A fetus grows and strives to live. In a sense it is aware of itself as its building itself and growing. If your mother was considering abortion when she had you, would you care less if she aborted you, knowing that you whole life would never have existed, all the things you've accomplished would not have happened. Just because you wouldn't of known what happened, she still would of murdered you. The claim that its not wrong to kill a fetus is based on the fact that the fetus doesn't know the difference. When your dead you don't think, it doesn't matter how long you lived before you die, when your dead your just dead. So using that logic, it would be ok to murder an adult, giving they were not conscious when you did it, because they were not "aware" of themselves when you did it. It doesn't make sense. -------------------
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Kakarot Two much Neo since: Apr 2008	Jul 09, 09 at 4:40am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	Ahh but see none of us think it should be celebrated. We just know that sometimes a mother does what is best and believe it is her right. No one is pro abortion, they are pro choice. "I didn't get it from wiki. The root greek words. Thats why I asked if it was right. It is like latin, if you know a bunch of root words you can figure out bigger words. But sometimes you are really wrong. And again your sentence was still wrong given any meaning of the word." ------------------- If you haven't yet been to Crisis Core you don't know what you are missing.
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robotbear high on "N" total posts: 701 since: Apr 2009	Jul 09, 09 at 4:44am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	quote 771l9 , would you care less if she aborted you, knowing that you whole life would never have existed, all the things you've accomplished would not have happened. Just because you wouldn't of known what happened, she still would of murdered you. This argument is worthless.. if I had been aborted I would have no knowledge of it, I would not be sentient, oh and while I use the word "sentient" let me just say real fast "sentient" and "conscious" are not the same thing. But if I was aborted I would not care, because I would not exist. Simple as that. -------------------
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Faust Champion of Opal NeoXtreme total posts: 8633 since: Apr 2008	Jul 09, 09 at 4:46am ^ re: Abortion: Should it be allowed? 9
	quote Sah_Kuh_Suckers The problem is, you guys don't see it as a problem, but as a victory for rights. Nobody, I repeat, NOBODY should be glad when any movement for or against abortion is passed. Human life has been degraded into worth less than an animal. People are destroying the very foundations of biology by living by it. It is a triumph for human rights, and i'm going to continue seeing it that way. quote 771l9 You define living as a sate of awareness, or knowing that your breathing, do you die when you go to sleep? You're still aware. your brain processes information, you're still sentient and aware of your own existence, that's why we can remember our dreams. The whole point of sleep is resting your mind and body so that it can evaluate and process it's information. You didn't pay attention in health, did you? quote 771l9 Living is the state of trying to survive, to use energy to grown/move/reproduce. A fetus grows and strives to live. In a sense it is aware of itself as its building itself and growing. It has no awareness whatsoever. It's as alive as the skin on the bottom of my feet or the strand of hair growing out of my head. quote 771l9 If your mother was considering abortion when she had you, would you care less if she aborted you, knowing that you whole life would never have existed, all the things you've accomplished would not have happened. Just because you wouldn't of known what happened, she still would of murdered you. No, she wouldn't have killed me because i wouldn't have existed if she performed an abortion, i'd have no idea i was even once a clump of cells. I wouldn't care because i wouldn't have ever lived. quote 771l9 The claim that its not wrong to kill a fetus is based on the fact that the fetus doesn't know the difference. When your dead you don't think, it doesn't matter how long you lived before you die, when your dead your just dead. So using that logic, it would be ok to murder an adult, giving they were not conscious when you did it, because they were not "aware" of themselves when you did it. It doesn't make sense. you're still aware when you're sleeping. This is why people wake up for alarm clocks.
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