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| Bakka |
Aug 31, 10 at 7:03pm ^
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Log in to remove this sponsored message quote SupernouvaI don't like the idea that a cold blooded murderer can have the oppertunity and(no or) likelyhood to reoffend by murdering again. It is sad that there are people that go without a bed to sleep and three meals a day while murderers can get both of these things you are correct there. Is that grounds to kill the man though? I don't believe it is. | |
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| Fruscainte |
Aug 31, 10 at 7:03pm ^
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quote SupernouvaI look forward to a cold blooded murderer spending 20 hours a day in a 5x5 cell alone in the dim light with absolutely nothing to do but stare at a wall and get bread and watered down soup three times a day, yes. As Bakka said, you belong in the middle ages. Jail is far worse than you believe. If you so please, I can go find a little article I found a while ago from a murder convict about his experience of 25 years in the Federal Penitentiary and how just *bleep*ing horrible it is for people in there. | |
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| silverboner |
Aug 31, 10 at 7:03pm ^
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quote BakkaYeah, I brought it up by asking you a question, TWICE, you STILL HAVEN"T ANSWERED IT. Yet you continue giving me crap as though I am not directly answering yours. Don't you think that is a little *bleep*ed up? Don't you think its a bit screwed up that you ask me to define justice and then give me shit for discussing the concept of justice? quote BakkaI was, and did. I answered your question even before you asked it, but you can't put it together. Not that I understood your question the first time you asked it anyway. But of course that doesn't matter, instead you just accuse me of dodging questions, yet you do the same thing. As for your opinion as me derailing the thread, you can't see the bigger picture. You just see "abortion" and think I am derailing the thread. Yet my point wasn't about abortion and about the basis of one's argument, but you can't see it, and instead just see the word "abortion" and are stuck on the path, and cannot see the end. You see the words, not the sentence, the tree not the forest. quote BakkaWell, I am just taking lessons from you Bakka. quote silverboner quote silverboner ------------------- Evil necessitates God. Do you know what is so important about the number 447,225,917,218,507,401,284,016mg/cc??? Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. | |
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| Bakka |
Aug 31, 10 at 7:10pm ^
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I've made my views clear, you're asking me to repeat when infact the answer is in the post you quoted.
Stop asking me to repeat my stance on practicalities and justice in the hopes I might make myself look ridiculous. Stop instigating and stop trying to start personal disputes. ____________ quote FruscainteI didn't say that but I won't disagree with the sentiment. I can understand what he is trying to convey though, comparing basic essentials that some go without sadly. EDIT: Wording: ontopic portion. | |
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| silverboner |
Aug 31, 10 at 7:31pm ^
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If you think it "looks ridiculous" to hold principles above justice that is on YOU Bakka, not me. I asked, because I want to know what principles you think are more important then justice. Apparently though you don't answer questions, just demand others to answer yours.
And stop with the whole "thou are better then me shit". If you want me to stop instigating then set the example. Its not like your shit don't stink too. I've made my views clear, you're asking me to repeat when infact the answer is already posted. ------------------- Evil necessitates God. Do you know what is so important about the number 447,225,917,218,507,401,284,016mg/cc??? Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. | |
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Aug 31, 10 at 9:13pm ^
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So much contradiction in this thread!
If prison is such a rat-infested hellhole that's full of agony and suffering, how is it still better than death? Nobody is able to answer this question for some strange reason. Also, Fatherbrain30, enough with your "accidents occur innocent people die so-capital-punishment-is-wrong" argument. We're clearly talking about what we should do to first-degree murderers, specifically the ones who we know are 100% guilty. For example, look at the David Parker Ray case. There were both voice and video recordings which were a substantial amount of proof to demonstrate that he, in fact, was the murderer. Not to mention, many convicted people actually state that they are guilty due to the fact that they're conscience is so sullied. So, yeh, please stop using that argument. Can somebody truthfully answer this question? Would you rather die and be immediately deprived of sentience or would you rather be in the type of jail that Fruscainte described? Edit: Aug 31, 10 | |
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| realmofthewolf |
Aug 31, 10 at 9:40pm ^
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Do you honestly think someone could choose between them? Hell I'm sure most people will choose life and stick it out till they give up. It's not exactly easy to choose death over life even when your in that craphole.
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| Bakka |
Aug 31, 10 at 10:20pm ^
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I think it's no exaggeration when I say i've probably stated this 3 or 4 times now. No one can give you a definitive answer on whether death is better or not. Neither can you with any significant element of truth answer the question yourself because it isn't universal nor can a general concensuss even be reached enough to base a law on it. It depends highly on the individual.
For one people have different wills to live. You are wrong in trivializing it into one is better than the other and even more so in using it as a basis for any law or even a rational opinion. Also I did personally answer that question already. | |
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| Fruscainte |
Aug 31, 10 at 10:34pm ^
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I couldn't find the article I was talking about earlier, but this one will suffice just as well. A man who was in jail for 22 months for Armed Robbery. There's so much more to it, and I don't want to make like 3 posts for this. So I sorta chopped it up to summarize. I dare anyone to read this and say that prisons are not enough punishment for murderers or something.
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Aug 31, 10 at 10:58pm ^
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It definitely sounds like a lot more fun than quickly and painlessly being deprived of sentience, right Bakka?
Also, to strengthen Fruscainte's case, I've added even more links describing the horrendous jail conditions that convicts endure. Edit: Aug 31, 10 | |
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| Fruscainte |
Aug 31, 10 at 11:03pm ^
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You realize I'm not on your side, right? Unless I'm missing something, I'm against the Death Penalty.
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| Fatherbrain30 |
Aug 31, 10 at 11:03pm ^
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Hey not logged in, can somehow prove that every murdered is guilty? No? Didn't think so.
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Aug 31, 10 at 11:26pm ^
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I agree, FatherBrain. Executing an individual who is merely suspected of having committed murder is undoubtedly wrong as there is a lot of room for error. I'm merely saying that there exists a group of convicts, whether it be a minority or majority is irrelevant, who are 100% guilty (i.e there is not a speck of doubt). For example, David Parker Ray videotaped himself as he brutally tortured his victims and he made a video recording in which he said stated that he would kill the victims. Also, look at this case. Imagine something similar happens, but the murderer doesn't get a chance to shoot himself in the head. Wouldn't this specific individual be 100% guilty? If so, then sentencing him/her to the electric chair wouldn't be risky, now would it? Not to mention, accused criminals often confess and admit their guilt because of their sullied conscience.
Dont forget, as our technology improves, so will forensic sciences. The amount of room for error that can be made for a murder case will grow smaller as the days go by. | |
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| Faust |
Sep 01, 10 at 1:09am ^
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Guys, really, don't bother with Boner. He's nonsensical and full of all sorts of incoherent nonsense it's crazy. He doesn't want to or is incapable of realizing that what it means to be human is actually a quite open discussion that's pretty dominant in the philosophy of mind. Instead, he just wants to simplify and cut it down to poor and mechanistic terms. It's not worth arguing with him about it, because he won't accept it.
Besides, the conversation needs to steer away from abortion and more onto it's actual topic. Death penalty = unethical. | |
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| Supernouva |
Sep 01, 10 at 1:09am ^
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quote FruscainteI see. So you prefer convicted murderers suffer (or not in some cases) for the rest of their lives, and then die in prison? | |
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