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Topic: Aeris Gainsborough - Discussion (the affection for Aeris)
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The nature of the AC revival (that Sephiroth simply needed more Jenova cells in order to reincarnate 'his' body) does indeed suggest that realistically he could bring himself back at some time in the future, so long as there are enough viable Jenova cells around [dubious]. This, of course, says a lot more about Jenova than it does about Sephiroth. This is merely Sephiroth's will reflected through remnants of Jenova (Jenova is pretty resilient), thus I think it is actually pretty ironic that he said 'I won't just be a memory' or what have you, since that is the best way I would describe his AC revival.

I always thought one of the more straightforward reasons that Sephiroth killed Aeris is because she was a Cetra. Both Sephiorth and Jenova have their reasons for disliking the Cetra, so no love was lost on her, thats for sure.

Jenova is symbiotic, to a fair degree, in the nature it takes on in a persons body. She doesn't seem entirely willing to destroy her own cells, which could be a factor (just a factor, I agree with GG on this one) in Sephiroth's rather corny tendency to play the 'tortoise nad the hare' card on Cloud. [Considering Cloud's success, you would think that the story was leading towards Cloud being the new Sephiroth... or is that just me?]

As demonstrated by both FFVII (Bugenhagen) and AC (Aeris and Zack), spirits that go to the lifestream don't necessarily lose conciousness. In that sense, no one actually dies in the FFVII, because their consciousness still exists. What is significant is whether someone can be resurected, which isn't currently supported by anything (Sephiroth's 'death' is of a different nature, anyway). That said, Aeris did cross the borders, and there is no real rationale how or why she was able to.



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quote finalblade98
Well tell me Sephy is that powerful and yet he destroyed aeris without thinking yet he toys with cloud. Hmm it seems sephy likes losing to cloud. Thats the only logical explanation i see and yet it still doesn't add up.
Yes, Sephiroth gets pleasure out of getting Omnislash by Cloud and losing


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Sephiroth, the greatest fighter in the FFVII world, was defeated by Cloud: a mere ShinRa grunt. He was shown-up by someone (who was supposed to be) infinitely weaker than he is. Therefore he will use any means to get his revenge on Cloud, and toying with Cloud's mind - sending him crazy - is a perfect way to exact that revenge.
Unfortunately for Sephiroth, he always underestimates Cloud (still thinking of him as a ShinRa grunt), therefore he will always lose to Cloud. He never kills Cloud when given the chance.
This, is a logical explaination.



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re: Aeris Gainsborough - Discussion (the affection for Aeris)

If only Sephiroth was more like Kefka, Cloud would be dead.

Instead of trying to toy with his mind, he would have simply killed Cloud, and then shipped a piece of his body to every friend that Cloud ever had as Christmas gifts.



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Even still GG its makes no sense, surely Sephy likes toying and losing against cloud. Its apparent everytime he delays it. My only rational answer to Sephy is like i said toying with him and making a fun battle with cloud is more important.
Which concludes with my previous statement that His arrogance is his downfall in AC. FF7 he was doing 3 things at once.

torebaa its interesting that you said a similar thing to what i said. How she isn't dead, per say just not physically there.



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Even still GG its makes no sense, surely Sephy likes toying and losing against cloud.
You know how stupid that sounds? What GG said actually makes sense. What you are saying doesn't. What villain likes to lose? Sephiroth likes to toy with Cloud, that is true, but I doubt he intends on losing at the end of the battle.



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Im not saying he does intend to lose per say just his arrogance and his toying makes it so. And he should know better. yet he continues to d it. Thats why i said that.



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Im not saying he does intend to lose per say
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surely Sephy likes toying and losing against cloud
You could have fooled me.

Again, what GG said, I pretty much agree with.

Anyways, about Aeris. I would not want her to come back. Her role in AC was fine and it should stay like that. If she came back, it would just defeat the whole purpose of her death in FF7.



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Well yea but you forgot to quote this

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just his arrogance and his toying makes it so. And he should know better.
With Aeris maybe her death is part of a greater role which could end up with a happy ending to FF7 for ever and she returns. Though I have no idea what Sqaure has instore for the character Aeris or nomura.



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re: Aeris Gainsborough - Discussion (the affection for Aeris)

I think they don't have anything else in store for her.

Beyond her appearances in memories, flashbacks, and the like, I don't think Aeris will be returning to the physical realm.

Even though it's true that nobody truly knows what Square has instore for the world of FF7, I think them reviving Aeris would dissapoint more people than they can afford.



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Well, consider this, not remaking FF7 will disappoint FF7 fans and remaking it will piss off some as well. Pick your poison.

Same can be said here, and its really up to Square.



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That is a very poor analogy. It's pretty much universally accepted that Aeris isn't coming back to life. Trust me, you are a very small minority with your views, finalblade. Square cannot and will not simply revive Aeris because there is no logical reason to do so. I'm pretty sure they gave some closure to her existence in the "series" with the ending of Advent Children. Bringing her back to life would be, for all intensive purposes, absolutely and undeniably ridiculous.



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Remaking FF7 doesn't change the story or it's characters (provided it's simply a REMAKE).

Remaking FF7 has a point behind it because the game is very old and the graphics are horrible by today's standards.

It also allows people who haven't tried FF7, but are turned away by it's graphics, to play it.

Reviving Aeris does nothing.



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But you can't deny the fact millions will hate the remake. Moonrise It was a simple analogy in the point i said Its up to square.



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Millions? Unlikely. Regardless of what your intent was, the analogy was still poor because the two cases you were using just don't compare. If you want to say "it's up to square", then just do so. You don't need to make things difficult by making an analogy.



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quote finalblade98
torebaa its interesting that you said a similar thing to what i said. How she isn't dead, per say just not physically there.
What I was trying to get at is that no-one really 'dies' if all that it takes to be alive is having an existing consciousness. Realistically then no one dies, and Aeris is not special in that sense (though her ability to interact with the world is).

Unfortunately, I don't think that Finablade is too far off the mark. If we look at how AC went, Aeris had inexplicable realworld interaction. It is a very short step to having her appear in the real world from there. [I personally expect to see Cloud walking through Midgar one day and him catching Aeris selling flowers in the corner of his eye, then her disappearing when he looks. Its the only situation corny enough for Nomura.] Although I think that perhaps ressurect is too strong a word... I think her 'spirit will manifest' or something silly like that, which is close enough to bringing her back really... if only for a little while. Regardless, I don't believe the role she took in AC will end with AC.

The chance of FFVII being remade and not altered with retcon to include references to things like G and the expanded Turks is pretty much 0% in my opinion, hence why I rarely give a damn about the prospect of a remake.



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