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Topic: Aeris Gainsborough - Discussion (the affection for Aeris)
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re: Aeris Gainsborough - Discussion (the affection for Aeris)

Aeris appeared in AC, but she was never physically brought back to life like Sephiroth was. She's a Cetra, she has a connection to the Planet and seems to be able to communicate with Cloud telepathically.

Sephiroth however needs J-Cells to be brought back to life. Jenova's head seems to no longer be around at the end of AC, and the only characters with J-Cells that are still alive are Cloud and Genesis (maybe Weiss if he's not dead). Sephiroth certainly can't take over Cloud's body, and Genesis seems too important of a character to be Sephiroth's puppet.

Leaving things for interpretation when it's supposed to end will be the biggest cop out by Square ever.

And finalblade98, for the last time, Square is not Capcom. Vergil is dead, he exploded after Dante defeated him in the first Devil May Cry and left behind his amulet. We never saw him again. Devil May Cry 3 took place in the past, so that's a different story.



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re: Aeris Gainsborough - Discussion (the affection for Aeris)

I never thought Vergil died in DMC1. I always thought he has just transported away

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I don't think that it's completely unlikely that Sephiroth will return. If Squeenix can come up with a reasonable explanation for yet another return, then I could accept that. After all, his final words in AC didn't exactly imply that he was about to die.

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Leaving things for interpretation when it's supposed to end will be the biggest cop out by Square ever.


I think ressurecting Aerith would be a bigger cop out.

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Plus... movies, books, and video-games arealways leaving the possibility for the main antagonist to return ... even if there isn't a sequel. Take the various Dracula movies, for example. Dracula is a vampire - Vampires are killed with stakes - Dracula is killed with a stake ... yet he always returns at the end of the movie.

Same could go for Sephiroth. He can keep dying ... yet Squeenix will always find a way for him to return ... or, at least, leave open the possibility that he might return.... even if his "death" is in the final FFVII game.
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re: Aeris Gainsborough - Discussion (the affection for Aeris)

I believe the next time Sephiroth returns in physical form will be his last.

As much of a fan as I am of Sephiroth, I don't think I could handle yet another comeback.

Sephiroth is an interesting and awesome SOLDIER, but having him continuosly come back again and again will eventually get reppetitive and make him predictable and boring.

The ending of AC certainly leaves him open for interpretation and he will most likely return in some form, but after that, if he is going to be defeated, I think he'll be gone for good, even if his memory lives on.



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Aeris appeared in AC, but she was never physically brought back to life like Sephiroth was. She's a Cetra, she has a connection to the Planet and seems to be able to communicate with Cloud telepathically.

Sephiroth however needs J-Cells to be brought back to life. Jenova's head seems to no longer be around at the end of AC, and the only characters with J-Cells that are still alive are Cloud and Genesis (maybe Weiss if he's not dead). Sephiroth certainly can't take over Cloud's body, and Genesis seems too important of a character to be Sephiroth's puppet.

Leaving things for interpretation when it's supposed to end will be the biggest cop out by Square ever.

And finalblade98, for the last time, Square is not Capcom. Vergil is dead, he exploded after Dante defeated him in the first Devil May Cry and left behind his amulet. We never saw him again. Devil May Cry 3 took place in the past, so that's a different story.

See thats where your wrong, Capcom and Square isn't the same but from what i know Capcom and Itsuno has already stated Virgil is still alive and will be part of the DMC franchises for a long time. Its just he won't have a big role like DMC3. Actually thats one thing i was thinking He doesn't need J-cells to return. I mean I believe he only did that in AC so Sephy could actually take over his body and change it. After all Sephy disappears and your left with Kadja at the end.

I still don't think he will die its just can't happen.
GG why do you think that, I mean Aeris is a cetra, we don't even know there full extend of powers are. They could return or she and zack could return, who knows. That i believe is still open for interpretation



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You're not even making any sense. What do you mean he doesn't need J-Cells to return? His "will" supposedly made the SHM seek out Jenova's head. That's enough proof that he needs it.

As far as Vergil goes... link me to an article that has them saying that? He hasn't been confirmed to be in DMC4 as far as I know, and the series hasn't technically ended yet, so you don't know that he won't be killed off for good if he were to come back to life. I don't really see a point in him coming back now either, Dante's no longer the main character.

And Aeris does not have the ability to bring people back to life, it's not even open for interpretation.

Square originally ended FFVII with Sephiroth dead. To suddenly have the possibility that he would come back in the last game after he's defeated would be the biggest cop out ever. They never done this with other villains, why start now?



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Really have you seen AC, she literally saved and brought back cloud at the end. Remember him getting bullets in his back. Well i will find the link later, i have it on the other PC.



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re: Aeris Gainsborough - Discussion (the affection for Aeris)

When the heck was it confirmed that Cloud was dead? Cloud was simply knocked unconscious. Aeris does not have the ability to bring the dead back to life. Square didn't even mention anything like that in the Reunion Files.



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Well i found the link i remember posted it in the DMC4 forum Vergil

It reads as follows

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Capcom and Gameinformer sort of touch upon the unavailability of Vergil in DMC4. Gameinformer states that Vergil is an integral part of the DMC's franchise, as proven by DMC3SE, and they believe that Vergil still has a part to play in DMC4. Capcom has this to say, "We are not ready to say what role Vergil himself plays in the story, but the existence of Vergil as a character is something very important to the story of the DMC games. That's something that I don't think is going to end!"



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re: Aeris Gainsborough - Discussion (the affection for Aeris)

Capcom said that he's important to the overall story, but they didn't say that he won't die once the franchise is over.



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Vergil as a character is something very important to the story of the DMC games. That's something that I don't think is going to end!" I believe that answers your statement.



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re: Aeris Gainsborough - Discussion (the affection for Aeris)

You're kidding, right? Explain to me how that means Vergil will never die.

The article basically says that his character in the story is important, and that won't change as long as the series is still around. That doesn't mean he won't die. Not to mention that they haven't even confirm that he will be in DMC4.



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re: Aeris Gainsborough - Discussion (the affection for Aeris)

How does this show Sephiroth won't die? Capcom and SE aren't the same company. Sephiroth will die once FF7 is over.



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and they believe that Vergil still has a part to play in DMC4. Um also who says the series will die. Its a serious that could last for a long long time.

Um hello If capcom won't get rid of Vergil in there series what makes you so sure Square will. Thats the point. Until they announce it He isn't dead. And will never be dead or be killed off.



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Um hello If capcom won't get rid of Vergil in there series what makes you so sure Square will.
Hmm... lets see... maybe it's because SE ISN'T CAPCOM.

FF7 will end eventually and Sephiroth will die.



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re: Aeris Gainsborough - Discussion (the affection for Aeris)

Gameinformer said that Vergil might have a role in DMC4, not Capcom.

And once again, how in the blue hell does that article prove that Vergil will never die?

My God, I feel like I'm losing brain cells arguing with you.



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